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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tate Britain, Drag Queen Story Hour and yet more nonsense

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Birdsweepsin · 12/01/2023 23:01

  1. The Tate decides to host DQSH
  1. Art not Propaganda, together with Safe Schools Alliance, start a petition on change.org
  1. Petition disappears!
  1. New petition gathers momentum. Usual suspects start spitting feathers
  1. Probably because of all this, the Telegraph have uncovered some well dodgy educational materials being produced by Tate Galleries.

And I am now looking up Linda Stuparts projects and trying to make sense of this word smorgasbord:

The project conflates different discourses around objects; those of the art object, an object oriented ontology (via Speculative Realism), sexual objectification (via second wave feminist conceptions of the male gaze, queer theory and post-feminism) and the psychoanalytical object. The project proposes that a new ethical and aesthetic position may be gleaned from making and writing contemporary art from specific positions of objecthood.

A non-division, or absence of relation; voiding of distance, which I propose as the post-critical empathetic exchange of objects, is played out through my practice, which enacts a non-division between writing and making; experimenting with intimacy, embodied critique and realisms without representation

Thematically, the work situates my ‘self’ as material – working with strategies of confessional, critique and fictional writing and image/object production in relation to other kinds of materials and in particular relation to productions of images, art and art worlds.

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Datun · 14/02/2023 22:07

And what specifically do women on this board believe that is not representative of the majority of women?

The majority of everyone.

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:10

I've posted evidence that fascists were at the demonstration at the tate gallery and asked if that was of any concern to any of the regular posters on here

it appears not to be

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:10

artlove · 14/02/2023 21:56

A poster is pointing out that people who frequent this little corner of Mumsnet are making common cause with the far right.

You don't represent all women. Thanks goodness

Mate, there is no left wing/right wing distinction in child safeguarding.

Paedos come in all varieties:

www.vice.com/en/article/5d3xxb/neo-nazi-pedophile-cult-arrest-order-of-nine-angles

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:12

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Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:14

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:07

@artlove huh? Who is changing the subject? I’m mainly asking if you think feminists are in league with the far right, then you must also believe gender ideologists are sex offenders, as some trans activists have committed such crimes, or expressed pro pedophilic views? John Money was a pedophile apologist who forced siblings to commit incest in his ‘experiments’. Do you share his views? Peter tatchell claimed not all sex between adults and children was wrong? Do you share his views? They both believe in gender like you so we must assume you share those views right?

Yes, I have only ever seen one person say they were comfortable in publicly supporting Peter Tatchell… because they didn’t believe he had written what he has. Of course, they flounced as soon as they saw the proof that he did indeed write it and several other things since that really never can be handwaved away the way Tatchell tries to do.

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:14

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:10

I've posted evidence that fascists were at the demonstration at the tate gallery and asked if that was of any concern to any of the regular posters on here

it appears not to be

Fascists were also in Edinburgh on the sane day as the SFW rally, but “furries against fascists” decided not to confront actual fascists but harrass women speaking about their rights instead. From this we can extrapolate that furries don’t care about racists, but do like harassing women. Otherwise they would have been at the fascist rally wouldn’t they?

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:16

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:10

I've posted evidence that fascists were at the demonstration at the tate gallery and asked if that was of any concern to any of the regular posters on here

it appears not to be

Are we there protesting? Are you accusing us of organising it?

It is an obvious tactic and very clearly a dishonest one.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:17

Gotta say I think it’s very weird of you to take the propaedo position, @artlove - what makes you so unwilling to stand up and speak out against child sexual abuse?

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:18

How about you tell us what specifically do women on this board believe that is not representative of the majority of women?

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:20

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:17

Gotta say I think it’s very weird of you to take the propaedo position, @artlove - what makes you so unwilling to stand up and speak out against child sexual abuse?

run that by me one more time

Tate Britain, Drag Queen Story Hour and yet more nonsense
Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:25

So what slogans and causes do far right groups and feminists share @artlove ? Are these far right protestors campaigning For for single sex spaces? Are they walking down the street calling for an end to the homophobic gender ideology? Are those men holding rallies pointing out the dangers of hiding children irreversible drugs whose long term effects are not known?

AlisonDonut · 14/02/2023 22:29

I always find it odd that brand new people come here and accuse us of aligning with...groups we've never heard of but that they know very, very well.

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:29

I think they are about restricting the options of both men and women.

If I were advocating on behalf of a cause which attracted people like this I would be extremely concerned, and would want at the very least to say that I didn't want their support.

no-one has said that... how odd?
it can't be that difficult @Happylittlechicken

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:30

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:20

run that by me one more time

Are you anti child safeguarding, @artlove?

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:31

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:29

I think they are about restricting the options of both men and women.

If I were advocating on behalf of a cause which attracted people like this I would be extremely concerned, and would want at the very least to say that I didn't want their support.

no-one has said that... how odd?
it can't be that difficult @Happylittlechicken

Caping for sex offenders isn’t the virtue signal you imagine it to be.

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:32

@artlove do you believe John Money did nothing wrong? If you do believe he was wrong, and therefore reject all his views, including those of gender, you’ll have no problem saying so. It’s not that difficult is it?

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:33

I've no idea what you mean @ShireWifeofNigelFarage - (very peculiar name to choose by the way. but I guess each to their own. Do you know about young Nigel's predilection for the Hitler Youth)

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:34

Tell us first why this group are fascists and what they believe in . Just because you say they are and you call them far right wing, show us the evidence that they are .

Why should anyone declare non-support for a group that no one is a part of to appease a poster throwing out absurd accusations? While personally attacking scrollingleaves (who has done a great job keeping the attention up for the petition link - thanks Scrolling!)

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:36

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:33

I've no idea what you mean @ShireWifeofNigelFarage - (very peculiar name to choose by the way. but I guess each to their own. Do you know about young Nigel's predilection for the Hitler Youth)

My user name is a joke, as a bonus also great for triggering people who think opposing child sex abuse is a right wing activity!

artlove · 14/02/2023 22:47

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:34

Tell us first why this group are fascists and what they believe in . Just because you say they are and you call them far right wing, show us the evidence that they are .

Why should anyone declare non-support for a group that no one is a part of to appease a poster throwing out absurd accusations? While personally attacking scrollingleaves (who has done a great job keeping the attention up for the petition link - thanks Scrolling!)

Why are the group calling themselves "Patriotic Alternative" fascists?

They were founded by a fascist ( a man thrown out of the British National Party for racism and who promotes white supremacy, neo-Nazism, and conspiracy theories about Jews)
They have links to a number of far right groups including the neo-Nazi group Blood and Honour

They recently organised a demonstration which ended in violence against a hotel housing refugees in Knowsley.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:50

You know a lot about these people - we don’t, because they are fuck all to do with us 🤷‍♀️

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 22:51

What do they believe in? What is their manifesto?

actually address the issues. ‘Fascist’ seems a very loose term these days.

State exactly what they are fighting for. Not your interpretation. But what they have published.

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:51

You seem to know a lot about them @artlove . Was the founder your dad?

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 14/02/2023 22:53

Maybe artlove organised the London event while dad was up in the Northwest?

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 22:55

And his uncle did the Edinburgh event. Must have been a busy time for @artlove and his family.

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