Tate Britain, Drag Queen Story Hour and yet more nonsense

[Birdsweepsin]

1. The Tate decides to host DQSH

1. Art not Propaganda, together with Safe Schools Alliance, start a petition on change.org

1. Petition disappears!

1. New petition gathers momentum. Usual suspects start spitting feathers

1. Probably because of all this, the Telegraph have uncovered some well dodgy educational materials being produced by Tate Galleries.

And I am now looking up Linda Stuparts projects and trying to make sense of this word smorgasbord:

The project conflates different discourses around objects; those of the art object, an object oriented ontology (via Speculative Realism), sexual objectification (via second wave feminist conceptions of the male gaze, queer theory and post-feminism) and the psychoanalytical object. The project proposes that a new ethical and aesthetic position may be gleaned from making and writing contemporary art from specific positions of objecthood.

A non-division, or absence of relation; voiding of distance, which I propose as the post-critical empathetic exchange of objects, is played out through my practice, which enacts a non-division between writing and making; experimenting with intimacy, embodied critique and realisms without representation

Thematically, the work situates my ‘self’ as material – working with strategies of confessional, critique and fictional writing and image/object production in relation to other kinds of materials and in particular relation to productions of images, art and art worlds.

Ngl, I had them pegged as communists 🤷‍♀️

you really are experts in deflection and distraction- and your fascist apologia isn't bad either.

In what way were children at risk by an event hosted by someone who has undergone police checks and with appropriate safeguarding measures in place?

STILL arguing against child safeguarding?

Are you opposed to litter picking too?

Is @artlove still plugging his dodgy group? He must be desperate up get new members. Do you get a signing bonus @artlove ?

So @artlove, I guess you weren't there at Liverpool? Did you not turn up with your anti fa uniform to oppose the fascists? ( Probably shouting abuse at Posie Parker or some other women that day or some other brave act against the struggle.
If you were there ,you would have known that the shitty Patriotic Alternative wankers were hardly there . Just a small amount of them. It was local youths mainly who object to some of the alleged behaviour of said male asylum seekers. I understand their frustration but not their actions. Completely disgusting. I know this as I have someone close to me who was there - an anti fascist. Funny enough , none of the gang who hassle Posie or any of the other prominent GC women showed up.
I know you talk alot of shite @artlove and have no interest in the fight against fascism and use it as an excuse to harass and hate on women. Especially women like us on here who say No . You really hate that , don't you ?

My fellow terven have made excellent observations about you @artlove . You do seem rather keen to spread the word about the shitty P. A. ! See, I am actually aware of them as I am an old lefty anti fascist. I don't tend to go to protests these days as my health isn't good but like to keep an interest. One of the observations about P.A. that has been made , certainly in the recent North West rioting ,is that their M.O tends to be spread their name , spread their vile message amongst disadvantaged and neglected communities then retreat . No need for them to get involved if the people do things themselves. Utter cowards.
Is this your tactic on here @artlove?

What police checks? What safeguarding?

Isn't DQSH in the UK run by one bloke who has in the past raised funds for (wait for it) another drag queen who is a paedophile?

Do the police checks allow a 'get out of police check trans hot line' thus completely obliterating the point of the check?

Also, fascists (as well as vegans. Detectorists, ex criminals and anyone else) have a right to not want men to get into underwear and grind in front of kids.

artlove · Today 00:01

drag queens who have I'm sure been checked if they work with children are very unlikely to harm children...

And have they had criminal record checks? Because at least one of the ones going into schools in the last couple of years had a criminal record and not a single one of them was checked.

Why do you post such lies?

I'm sure you have been on the street with a Timmy Robertson supporter, therefore, you support the punishment beating of teenaged refugees. You really need to think about that and why you support it.

And yet I am sure that the Girl Guides did a DBS check on a leader who posted photos of themselves in BDSM gear and in poses with various weapons too.

And Jacob Breslow, Peter Tatchell and ‘Picklebee’ Douglas would all probably pass a DBS check too.

You really have little understanding of what a DBS check is and isn’t.

And I expect you have little knowledge of safeguarding.

Aida H Dee has posted stuff on his Twitter account which no children's entertainer would get away with. That's because DQs are adult entertainers, that's what they do and a brilliant illustration of why it's not suitable for kids.

Also there's a video where he sets his stall out on promoting gender ideology to kiddies.

I mean he's not hiding who he is. But there's denial around him of what DQs actually are.

Did I miss the posting of this group's manifesto? And the definition of fascist?

I didn't see it on the now deleted thread either.

And no, artlove, your thread was deleted because thread that are not posted in good faith rarely stand. I don't think even you lack the modicum of self awareness to admit your thread was not posted in good faith. Because we saw the impetus of the thread start right here. Making ridiculous and unfounded accusations.

I think MNHQ should let the bad faith threads stand

it’s always instructive to see people who can’t deal with a little piss taking

Really sad to lose my post pointing out that Mark Collett and his racist cronies going litterpicking in the West Midlands is straight out of the Denton’s Big Book of Transactivist Tactics. Patriotic Alternative are using something they don’t really give a shiny shit about to make themselves look good, just like Lily Madigan campaigning to end Period Poverty… except litter picking takes more effort than writing on one’s hand with a marker pen and taking a selfie.
And 106 bin bags of rubbish is a measurable outcome.

Adding the deletion message for those who only see this thread, having missed artlove’s dedicated thread re: Patriotic Alternative.

The thing is, if he had started a thread that said

• here’s evidence of PA being fascists
• here’s evidence of PA harassing drag queens (or something, I never really got what they’d done)
• here’s evidence of gender critical feminists (with an actual understanding of what both ‘gender’ and ‘critical’ mean) working with PA

that would have been a really interesting and good faith thread

but he didn’t / couldn’t because he thinks guilt by association is an actual argument and item 3 in my list doesn’t exist

Yes Bernard.

But we frankly know that was never going to be the case. Because there are threads upon threads about feminists and 'far right'. And sadly Item 1 & 2 in your list is irrelevant to FWR without item 3. They are not feminist issues. And as you say, there is no evidence for item 3.

There are posters who like to frame feminists sharing a loose goal with others as being 'politically aligned', even those professing to be feminists (with the usual 'I am gender critical but ..'). But there is not actual evidence of feminists working with PA.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · Today 13:55
Really sad to lose my post pointing out that Mark Collett and his racist cronies going litterpicking in the West Midlands is straight out of the Denton’s Big Book of Transactivist Tactics. Patriotic Alternative are using something they don’t really give a shiny shit about to make themselves look good, just like Lily Madigan campaigning to end Period Poverty… except litter picking takes more effort than writing on one’s hand with a marker pen and taking a selfie.

And 106 bin bags of rubbish is a measurable outcome

You are right in the litter picking being a tactic. I was just reading yesterday’s Times which said just that.

So their putting themselves in the vicinity of parents upset with the Tate would have been another one of their hijacking techniques.

As you say the method is not unlike the Denton way.

In my opinion TQ+ has hijacked LGB, and memories of Section 28, when T can effectively be the homophobes, and the consequences of the ideologies are mentally physically dangerous unlike LGB.

PA are really interested in anti-immigration - if you can see the article in the screen shot.

Excerpt from The Times:
Commentators believe that Patriotic Alternative exacerbates tensions by hijacking local issues and skates very close to the line of what is legal in an attempt to prevent it from becoming a proscribed organisation.

Absolutely - and the best way for making the actual cause, the safeguarding of children, unhijackable, is for people like @artlove to stop pretending that child safeguarding is a right/left issue.
Paedos come from all sorts of backgrounds, a Google search for ‘Child sex abuse images Labour councillor’ and then repeated for all the UK political parties will soon refute that any wing of political allegiance makes a person safe to be near children.

I know kids are likely to be traumatized listening to a children's story by a fully clothed man in a sparkly dress, but have you seen the V and A? I was in the statue bit and there was a 17 foot high naked bloke with his penis out. He wasn't the only one either. Tits and bits everywhere. I was there with my nephew and had to flee and cover his eyes. I shall write a strongly worded letter.

I fear you may not have a full handle on the issues at play

but you are entertaining yourself, so that’s nice

I see we're still entertaining and educating our half term visitors 😂😂

Can statues twerk? Can statues commit sex offences? Can a chicken cry?

I wonder why they don't have Chippendales Story Hour for Rainbows?

Ladybrrrd · Today 16:03
I know kids are likely to be traumatized listening to a children's story by a fully clothed man in a sparkly dress, but have you seen the V and A? I was in the statue bit and there was a 17 foot high naked bloke with his penis out. He wasn't the only one either. Tits and bits everywhere. I was there with my nephew and had to flee and cover his eyes. I shall write a strongly worded letter.

You have misunderstood the issue.

It isn’t the art in the Tate that is the problem.

It is the Tate not just getting on with showing the art, but producing school resources that are gender ideology pamphlets; and about the Tate promoting gender identity to very young children through Aida H. Dee Drag Queen.

Way to go to miss the significance of a living male person who may or may not have been thoroughly checked for their past activities and their online activities, who is reading to children while presenting as a caricature of a woman vs art?

Do you do that often?