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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dd ran away to be with trans lover and refuses to return

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Moomoola · 11/01/2023 08:15

Hi, I was posting in the teens section and got some good ad vice and a suggestion that I post here.
here’s a link to that thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/4699011-sil-cancelled-visit-as-our-dd-wants-to-be-a-man?page=1
im using ‘dd’and ‘she’ to keep things simple.
basically dd at 15 decided she was trans and I took her to get some boys clothes and didn’t pay it enough attention. To my naive mind it’s not (or wasn’t ) an issue.
Shes now 17 and started to date a girl ( x) who is 17, who’s parents paid for male hormones since 15. That was some concern as obv. X will have been through a lot. Dd mentioned that x has some mental struggles, the mum hides vodka. Dd is pretty naive, has had a few challenges and can be gullible.
in the last 3 months dd was clearly struggling.
just befor Xmas I made her a cuppa and she had vanished. We tracked her down to x house which she refused to leave. It was ibvioly coordinated as there was a lot of phone alerts and the dad had obviously come to collect her.
I asked the mum to send her back as it was Xmas day and we were concerned. I get a text back from dd saying the mum doesn’t want to be involved and why did I deadname her.
The mum obviously didn’t need to show the text to dd. There are other red flags that the mum is stirring. We got texts from dd saying we are abusive transphobes. If we try and talk rationally that’s conversion therapy. We are concerned that dd is being encouraged to write these. The grammar is sometimes too good to be dds. Any ‘friendly’ texts seem to be late at night. Though I may be overthinking that.
live managed to see dd twice so at least we are talking, but it’s as if dd is hardening herself from us. She has decided to live with x and her mum and is in love and considering top surgery as she has dysmorphia. At least she is still going to school.
we registered it with the police who said this is happening a lot and it’s a pattern.
we are not concerned about the trans thing as such, though obviously that’s part of it, we are very concerned that since dating x, a seemingly happy dd got increasingly depressed and convinced we were transphobic to the point that she had to run to xs house where she feels supported, and we feel she is being love bombed, isolated from us and coerced into thinking she also needs hormones etc.
we are getting nowhere. I seem to be living in a dystopian world where everyone has fake smiles and suggests we call her by her new name and everything will be marvellous.
live contacted Bayswater group, and I’m posting here as suggested by a pp in case anyone can suggest anything else I can do. For dd but also Dh and ds. Dh obviously distraught the more he reads and ds is spending more and more time alone on his phone.
Many thanks.

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MavisMcMinty · 09/07/2023 00:23

“We are building the plane while we are flying it.”

I love Dr Miriam Grossman. Thanks for the link, Moo.

Moomoola · 09/07/2023 07:24

ifonlyour on what planet should girls have to share toilets with boys?
this might help
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/singlesextoiletsfactsheet.pdf

i think on their website you will find lots of guidance on how to approach the school.
im sure if you pop up a separate thread there will be a lot of helpful responses.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/singlesextoiletsfactsheet.pdf

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IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 10/07/2023 23:42

Bless you @Moomoola . Thankyou so much 🌺

beastlyslumber · 11/07/2023 07:26

Will you start a new thread @Moomoola ?

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2023 19:18

I think you should. Step by step as you go everyone would be here for you.

TheClogLady · 11/07/2023 19:35

You probably don’t need a new thread now, @Moomoola - you are so well informed nowadays that you are helping the parents who newly-fallen through the gender rabbit hole!

I hope you do start another one, if only because I think this one has been Mumsnet at its very best, thoughtful, supportive, moving and a little bit sweary! If you ever make it south of the border and fancy having the conversation in person, I would
love to meet you

😘

Name5 · 12/07/2023 06:00

I agree @Moomoola . You can make a continuing thread. I post on a alcohol support one, it has been going for at least three years.

Moomoola · 18/07/2023 07:33

Hello! Thank you for all your wonderful support. I’ll start another thread. You’ve all been so helpful.I suspect it will be more of the same, but I really hope not.
I joined a zoom for parents and one of the mums said how everybody is on board for the child and as a parent, you’ve nowhere to turn, you’re swamped with grief and shame and nobody gets it. You guys do, (unfortnately)so thank you.
yes clog if ever I wander southwards, I’ll definitely call in for a cuppa. I think we’d have a good chat x
DD is now looking up the family tree - which we thought was hopeful but it seems to be a thing amongst the trans community, not sure why?

All this pain for her and us, seems so unnecessary. We have nothing but love for our DD whatever and forever.
DS and I are visiting a relative as a holiday. There is a massive DD sized gap in every holiday we looked at with the 3 of us.
DS asked if he should invite DD, I said of course, but I have asked her and she said she was going away with mates. I asked her to call and she didn’t. He looks so sad.
It’s so hard for him too.
We are cool with names and pronouns. Just please don’t medicalise! Every woman I know has body dysmorphia to some extent. Even Claudia Schaffer used a separate model for her feet and hands. Helena Christensen is shot face on as she has a wierd flat face from the side. (I know, but I’m ancient).
thank goodness some people are posting reality v instagram https://pin.it/6ZiuXfn
I found this, it’s worth a watch as they describe the side effects that they are now living with. It’s very moving.

Milo - detransitioning

Very sad to listen to Milo share what happened during transitioning and now de-transitioning.

https://youtu.be/BU-B_B_V9Is

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Name5 · 18/07/2023 08:20

Wow Moo, wouldn't it be helpful if Milo came to the UK and did an interview? In addition she could get laser work on the hair issue here pro bono. We're a kind lot really.
How awful though to be operated on at 16. Thank God we don't allow it.
All the 'softening' of brutal surgeries - top surgery, bottom surgery, T is a crock of shit. It is totally wrong for all but a tiny percentage of people. America sneezes and we get a cold.
My DD no longer wants medical intervention and still removes body hair. Lately we have painted nails and stylised brows. My DH is daring to buy pink DMs for her birthday. She made a comment last week about if she ever needs to change the name on her university certificates she can (they are in her male name). I gave up trying to control her. As I have said before I am not sanctioning any medical interventions, names, clothes I don't really care. Tattoos too (I hate them but it's still reversible and not an issue anymore). DDs hair is short but curly so it suits her. What made me laugh was her chosen male name is now being used for girls on mumsnet. She won't like that!

Name5 · 18/07/2023 08:22

Moo the new thread is empty.

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Moomoola · 18/07/2023 08:33

name5 what good news! You do sound cheerier, I’m so pleased for you all.
so hard for teens atm.
found another link, it’s a thing on instagram where people are posting the reality of their bodies. So nice to see stretch marks and bulges

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