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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dd ran away to be with trans lover and refuses to return

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Moomoola · 11/01/2023 08:15

Hi, I was posting in the teens section and got some good ad vice and a suggestion that I post here.
here’s a link to that thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/4699011-sil-cancelled-visit-as-our-dd-wants-to-be-a-man?page=1
im using ‘dd’and ‘she’ to keep things simple.
basically dd at 15 decided she was trans and I took her to get some boys clothes and didn’t pay it enough attention. To my naive mind it’s not (or wasn’t ) an issue.
Shes now 17 and started to date a girl ( x) who is 17, who’s parents paid for male hormones since 15. That was some concern as obv. X will have been through a lot. Dd mentioned that x has some mental struggles, the mum hides vodka. Dd is pretty naive, has had a few challenges and can be gullible.
in the last 3 months dd was clearly struggling.
just befor Xmas I made her a cuppa and she had vanished. We tracked her down to x house which she refused to leave. It was ibvioly coordinated as there was a lot of phone alerts and the dad had obviously come to collect her.
I asked the mum to send her back as it was Xmas day and we were concerned. I get a text back from dd saying the mum doesn’t want to be involved and why did I deadname her.
The mum obviously didn’t need to show the text to dd. There are other red flags that the mum is stirring. We got texts from dd saying we are abusive transphobes. If we try and talk rationally that’s conversion therapy. We are concerned that dd is being encouraged to write these. The grammar is sometimes too good to be dds. Any ‘friendly’ texts seem to be late at night. Though I may be overthinking that.
live managed to see dd twice so at least we are talking, but it’s as if dd is hardening herself from us. She has decided to live with x and her mum and is in love and considering top surgery as she has dysmorphia. At least she is still going to school.
we registered it with the police who said this is happening a lot and it’s a pattern.
we are not concerned about the trans thing as such, though obviously that’s part of it, we are very concerned that since dating x, a seemingly happy dd got increasingly depressed and convinced we were transphobic to the point that she had to run to xs house where she feels supported, and we feel she is being love bombed, isolated from us and coerced into thinking she also needs hormones etc.
we are getting nowhere. I seem to be living in a dystopian world where everyone has fake smiles and suggests we call her by her new name and everything will be marvellous.
live contacted Bayswater group, and I’m posting here as suggested by a pp in case anyone can suggest anything else I can do. For dd but also Dh and ds. Dh obviously distraught the more he reads and ds is spending more and more time alone on his phone.
Many thanks.

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MavisMcMinty · 29/06/2023 10:03

Well thank goodness for that surgeon! If only more clinicians were so honest, this clusterflip would never have got going. The constant affirmation and blind acceptance of their “gender dysphoria” does not help these young people, it escalates the likelihood of them taking damaging drugs and mutilating their bodies.

BezMills · 29/06/2023 10:06

so many young women report not wanting to be a woman during their teenage years. Telling them transing as a way out is, frankly, child abuse. That's my opinion.

We need to own up. Instead of telling young women they have a problem, we adults need to admit that there is a lot of adult bullshit in the world coming their way, and it's NOT their fault.

Name5 · 29/06/2023 13:11

@Jellycats4life thank you so much for the twitter clip. My DD said exactly the same. Didn't want to be a woman but didn't know why she wanted to be a man.

Delphinium20 · 29/06/2023 18:15

Not at all ranty! I just wanted to make sure you knew I am on your side!

You know what, though, your explanation of what you did when your DD first left is now documented (anon, of course) and it will show countless people who lurk but don't comment the reality behind what trans does to families. Maybe you could share someday with Genspect or similar. Flowers

Delphinium20 · 29/06/2023 18:15

Oh, and I'm in the States so not up late for my time zone :)

Moomoola · 29/06/2023 22:09

jellycts thanks for the tweet, that’s very powerful. mavis and bez absolutely. and name5 yes, who doesn’t want to hide under big men’s jumpers, like androgeny ( Annie lennox, Bowie) and construct their own reality at some stage? I remember trying to be David Cassidy (!) and trying to get my flared jeans to flap in rhythm not flop together!
delphinium that’s nice, but sadly if you go to
https://pitt.substack.com/archive there are sadly a LOT of stories.

this was posted on another thread - just in case anyone is interested in why this is happening ll at once everywhere. fascinating-
https://www.frc.org/blog/2021/04/staggering-reach-billionaire-transgender-activists
thanks, and
☕️🍰 to all.

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Moomoola · 03/07/2023 17:47

I’m being a wimp, and I’m sure this should go on relationships, but..
spent day with DS, who is bored and worried about holidays. I’m trying, and not succeeding to perk myself up. Been a down day.
DH calls and I say, no, I haven’t got anywhere with DD. - she’s not replied to my text, suprise. He says he can’t cope with work and me nor getting anywhere, it’s time to toughen up, go see the mum. I say, ok, but what will it achieve? ( yes, I know we’ve been here before)
DH told me to find a holiday and now is dismissing any holidays ideas - he’s now saying he had a bad day at work, he needs to leave, he doesn’t want to spend money on holidays in case. I’ve just inherited 10,000 euros, I thought he’d be pleased. and I said, ‘well I’d like to go back to work.’ He said I don’t earn enough, I’d earn more if we moved down south, we have to move.
I mean what? We were talking about holidays and now we have to move house?
i don’t get it. If I should post on relationships I shall, just that I like you lot, you are wise beyond belief, and have seen it all.

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ScrollingLeaves · 03/07/2023 18:07

Ignore him for now. He’s tired and wound up and cannot think in a balanced way. My advice for the moment would be just to have something to eat, go for a walk?, have a rest.

I am so sorry, what an upsetting time this is for you all 💐

Moomoola · 03/07/2023 18:10

Thank you so much scrolling, you are right. I’ll make him a nice dinner, and be nice.
life is too short to rant at each other, tho it’s tempting! 😁

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DodoPatrol · 03/07/2023 18:16

Oh, tell him to piss off.

Whatever you do would be wrong at the moment. I'd have a good rant at him and possibly throw things because I'm fundamentally immature.

RoseslnTheHospital · 03/07/2023 18:18

I'd make him a normal dinner and be normally civil. No need to do anything above and beyond that.

Moomoola · 03/07/2023 18:26

Oh dodo that made me laugh, fundamentally immature here - except I’d never win! roses you are right, I’ll be very civil and nice. We are both tired and stressed.
nice dinner coming up!
thanks, you’ve talked me down from a ledge - with a lot of pottery for throwing on it - except, to be fair he’s knackered after a long day and I’ve just wimped about being depressed.

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mammat72 · 03/07/2023 18:26

sadly nothing anyone can says on here will help, if you try and advise/help/counselling your daughter will feel you are trying to control her and she will retaliate. i know it is hard but all you can do is allow her to do what she is doing and she is going to have to learn from her mistakes. better to be in her life and just listen then try to help/fix/solve whatever is going on with her. as for the girlfriends mother like to saying goes keep your friends close but your enemies closer. just message her and say i really appreciate you letting dd stay with you. when your daughter talks to you just listen and ask her how it makes her feel and what she needs and wants sadly you cannot try to influence or control anything with this disorder. just know this site is a safe space and if you need to talk reach out. weve got you x

Moomoola · 03/07/2023 19:19

Thank you mammat . You are all saying the same thing - continually! Sorry to be dull. DH says ‘do domething!’ Id love to - I just don’t think it will work, As you know. I think it’s a male thing.
I made DH a nice dinner, but DH very tired, very sad, very ..it’s horrible to see. He’s gone to bed , it’s 7.12 and DS is computering in his room.
I will call the mum tomorrow, in a friendly fashion.
this is going on far too long. Even I’m bored, thank you all for sticking around.

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GrumpyPanda · 03/07/2023 19:39

@Moomoola just catching up on the last few days. Re the acronym thing - my preferred version is LGBTQWTF, or make that TQWTF.

weightymatters73 · 03/07/2023 20:09

@Moomoola My DH gets like this occasionally when he is very stressed. It's best to literally ignore and get on with life - return to work, book a simple holiday with your son (something very very easy, probably in the UK a cottage where you can rest and relax...my go to is Center parcs or a Dorset holiday cottage)....in any event something easy where you can chill....

There is not much you can do with your DD now, I suspect you have to literally wait for her to come back - just keep sending the odd "we love you" " You are always welcome at home"...don't engage any further as however positive you are it will all be seen as negative.

PS may be time for a new thread!

Moomoola · 03/07/2023 22:02

Thanks. Very very sad.
I kept hoping.
grumpy you made me laugh, very funny 😁

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HagoftheNorth · 04/07/2023 12:42

Hi Moomoola, really sorry that things seem to be going nowhere for you atm. I agree with pp’s who said book a nice holiday with ds (and dh) and plan some nice things to do together. Have some fun, make some memories. Easier said than done I know - that or find a job you enjoy!
Really feel for you all ❤️

Moomoola · 04/07/2023 14:34

Thank you very very much hag I can’t tell you how much that means, and also the support of you all. When you all have your own stuff too. I’m blown away by everyone here. And I’m sniffling again!
I think a job is easier than DIY!

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Chickaboop · 08/07/2023 22:45

Moomoola · 04/07/2023 14:34

Thank you very very much hag I can’t tell you how much that means, and also the support of you all. When you all have your own stuff too. I’m blown away by everyone here. And I’m sniffling again!
I think a job is easier than DIY!

It’s really important to do things to nurture yourself, especially as this is such a gruelling situation. X

Moomoola · 09/07/2023 00:05

Thankschickaboop
posting this in case it’s of help to anyone. Very clear and sensible.

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2023 00:08

Isn’t she clear and reasonable!

ScrollingLeaves · 09/07/2023 00:12

Chickaboop · Yesterday 22:45
It’s really important to do things to nurture yourself, especially as this is such a gruelling situation. X

This is so true, and also in doing this you would be modelling the same to your DD.

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 09/07/2023 00:16

@Moomoola
My heart goes out to you.

Thankyou so much for sharing the letter from the pupils and the article on billionaires.

My DS is 15 and is exasperated with the trans ideology at school. He is effectively silenced in PSHE .

The school toilets were in the process of being converted to unisex which meant to feel safe our DD had to walk the entire length of a large secondary school to get to female only toilets.
She has CFS so this is a none starter for her. By the time she has walked the length of the school she has no energy for her lesson.

We emailed and signed a petition about the toilets but had no response at all.

Wishing you peace and comfort @Moomoola x

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