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Scottish police use Minor Attracted Person instead of 'paedophile' in report

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pattihews · 31/12/2022 11:12

Chief Constable Iain Livingstone has used the acronym MAP (minor attracted Person) in an annual assessment of the force's work with a European project.

We've all wondered what the + is in LGB and TQIA+ haven't we? Well perhaps now we know. As the Telegraph says:

The term MAP is contentious because child abusers are trying to escape the stigma attached to paedophilia and maintain they should be regarded as a niche group alongside the LGBT community.

As a member of the LGB community I object. Archived link from the Telegraph:
archive.today/e9DCa

OP posts:
ScrollingLeaves · 31/12/2022 19:36

BoiledBeetle💐💐💐what horror.

I think some men see sex even in a small child’s body as though they were older, and are equally attracted to pre -pubescent and pubescent children.

This paragraph is from the Telegraph 2020 using “paedophile” and “minor attracted person”
as though there is no difference.
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/01/09/twitter-accused-aiding-child-abuse-allowing-explosion-online

Twitter has been accused of aiding child abuse by allowing paedophiles to openly organise and form associations on its service.

The social network lets users discuss their "attraction towards minors" and talk about child abuse as a phenomenon as long as they do not "promote or glorify" actual child abuse "in any way".

The result has been to create an online home for self-declared "non-offending" paedophiles, who often call themselves "minor-attracted persons" (MAPs) and declare their "age of attraction" in their user profiles.

IcakethereforeIam · 31/12/2022 19:38

That people are 'um, ackshually', about getting the terminology correct!? This thread is making me sad. For the children. Because of the 'splainers (auto corrupt wanted 'splatters', which would serve). And the others, who know who they are.

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 19:39

And I'm the one who put him in prison!

You should be so proud of this.

My abuser still walks free.

FrancescaContini · 31/12/2022 19:39

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 19:34

Thank you. We don't need it redefined and excused. It is abuse. It's vile. There is no excuse and no it's absolutely not "normal" for a grown man to be a predator to a teenage child.

Agree. We have a word, everyone understands what it means, everyone is repulsed by what this person is/does.

It’s gobsmackingly offensive to all victims of abuse to use other terminology that muddies or softens the meaning.

IcakethereforeIam · 31/12/2022 19:40

Oh @DustAndAshes

FrancescaContini · 31/12/2022 19:41

@ScrollingLeaves
Your final paragraph - OMFG

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 19:45

According to some on this thread me being abused as a 12 year old onwards was fine because I bad periods and breasts. And that the man who did this isn't a paedophile.

How dare you?

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 19:54

Actually I do have one final final comment to make. As the example I gave in my earlier post shows these men, and it mostly is men, may have a preference for their ideal age, looks eye colour, but then don't we all.

it doesn't stop us shagging Wayne because he's 45 instead of 38, and he's 5 foot 10 not six foot one.

Do you honestly truly think, for one minute, that some perv who claims he's only attracted to under or over a certain age and only children of a particular sex wouldn't take whatever and I mean whatever they could get if it was on offer and they knew there was 100% chance of getting caught?

And if you dare say they wouldn't you are either stupid, deluded or one of them

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 19:55

Not getting caught ffs

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 20:04

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 19:54

Actually I do have one final final comment to make. As the example I gave in my earlier post shows these men, and it mostly is men, may have a preference for their ideal age, looks eye colour, but then don't we all.

it doesn't stop us shagging Wayne because he's 45 instead of 38, and he's 5 foot 10 not six foot one.

Do you honestly truly think, for one minute, that some perv who claims he's only attracted to under or over a certain age and only children of a particular sex wouldn't take whatever and I mean whatever they could get if it was on offer and they knew there was 100% chance of getting caught?

And if you dare say they wouldn't you are either stupid, deluded or one of them

Absolutely.

These people can't be "cured".

They will always be abusers and will take any opportunity they can to do so. This has been demonstrated over and over.

They are now instead trying to convince people that their abuse is ok. Or that they can limit their abuse to certain parameters (they can't) and only abuse a subset of children and that is ok.

How anybody^^ can buy into this utter nonsense and support these paedophiles im their mission to normalise child abuse is beyond me.

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:06

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 19:39

And I'm the one who put him in prison!

You should be so proud of this.

My abuser still walks free.

Then may I wish for him nightmares every night, gout, a dodgy prostate, erectile dysfunction and regularly active genital herpes.💐

FOJN · 31/12/2022 20:07

amispeakingintongues · 31/12/2022 17:49

Under 16 = child.

They are paedophiles no matter how they try to rebrand their particular age perversion.

I completely agree ami.

Hebephilia and ephebophiia are terms coined by paedophiles in an attempt to neutralise the full horror of their actions. I either read something or watched a documentary about the origins of those two words and they are very much part of the queer narrative and were used to make age distinctions when peadophiles were trying to argue for lowering the age of consent.

However people understand or may come to understand MAP it opens the door to it's "benign" partner NoMAP, we should not allow ourselves to be persuaded that any expression of attraction to children is benign.

Paedophile works for me and I don't care if it upsets child rapists.

TheGirlWhoTamedTheDragon · 31/12/2022 20:08

Then may I wish for him nightmares every night, gout, a dodgy prostate, erectile dysfunction and regularly active genital herpes.💐

This made me smile. Thank you. I wish him the same, for a happy 2023!

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:09

To all those posting or reading who get my stance on this and especially those of you who have been through it themselves 🌹

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 20:12

@Boiledbeetle thank you. And for you. Spring soon, with beautiful flowers and hope. 🌹🌷🌼🌸🌺🌻

FOJN · 31/12/2022 20:13

Boiledbeetle

I hear you making sense loud and clear. 💐

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:40

Now would be a good time to remind you that as a victim of childhood sexual abuse my anonymity is protected in law

And as I've already listed these on here before and therefore already outed myself to those who know me, I'm not talking out of my arse. I know I don't have to share but I want the world to know who and what the worthless cretins they are trying to defend actually are. When mine was arrested he was working as a security guard in the entrance to the crown court. Depite his past history

And check out the last link that's a doozy

murder

discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10925019

rape

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/ellesmere-port-man-sentenced-13-5185532

And for a delightful little cherry on the top, this is the doctor I told about the abuse

www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/16062207.prominent-chester-gp-caught-almost-17-000-indecent-images-children/

DustAndAshes · 31/12/2022 20:47

£800 and a suspended sentence?

This is what is wrong.

In what society is that an appropriate punishment for child abuse? Let alone on this prolific scale.

It's bad enough already. Hardly any get convicted. Most people don't report because they know this. And then those that do report go through all that trauma, for that?

We need to start imposing 20 year+ sentences on these people and even them they need to be released to secure wings of mental institutions, never let out into society again.

BordoisAgain · 31/12/2022 20:51

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Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:53

@DustAndAshes guess which GP used to do my intimate examinatiins on teenage me.

I am so so angry he got the sentence he did. his patients and friends wrote letters of support for him. Te'll me his position in the community had nothing to do with his sentence. As far as I'm aware they actually stopped counting h ow many images he had because there was so many.

BordoisAgain · 31/12/2022 20:53

I really don't know why there's such bug gaps in my post 😩

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:55

@BordoisAgain I've reported it as user error!😁

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 20:59

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KimMumsnet · 31/12/2022 21:00

Hi @BordoisAgain - we've withdrawn your post for you - hope that helps - feel free to repost.

FOJN · 31/12/2022 21:06

The judge suspended the sentence because he thought he could be rehabilitated, FFS, 17000 images collected over 10 years!

My personal favourite...."previous outstanding character", err you are not of good character if you are collecting child abuse images; the world just wasn't aware you were scum.