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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

That's Nicola telt.

324 replies

WandaWomblesaurus · 29/11/2022 18:59

https://twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1597652609250119681?s=46&t=r0rB0VUPxPN48APJwhS_kg

I know she's been mentioned on another thread but flowers please for this brave woman.

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ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 22:15

I was going to say the same about that third clip. You know these women who are happy to throw other women under the bus exist. But seeing them in action Shock same goes for the annoyed looking one in the white jumper, huffing and puffing our rights away.

scalliondays · 29/11/2022 22:15

Well done indeed. That woman is incredible.

Readinginthesun · 29/11/2022 22:17

Well done 👏🥂

Slig · 29/11/2022 22:18

Not all heroines wear capes. She's amazing! And those other women. SHAME ON YOU!

One day your daughters will watch this and be ashamed of you. Cowards!

WomaninBoots · 29/11/2022 22:25

Ah! The women in the foreground are sat at the same table as a certain "reframe your trauma" someone. No wonder they look grumpy.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2022 22:30

Those women are supposed to stand up for other women. They are the ones that are paid to be our refuge, our safe spaces, our protectors. And they applaud as one woman is shut down and thrown out?

Even if they disagree, the very least they could do is give her enough respect to speak her truth.

Shame on every one of them.

Whereareyourshoes · 29/11/2022 22:34

Oh that 3rd clip! The clapping from all those lovely kind and ‘inclusive’ people. Sure they would all be delighted to share a cell with a 6’5” sex offender.

SylviasMotherSaid · 29/11/2022 22:35

@daringdoris I feel disgusted at them sitting there clapping like that and the speaker saying about the message they sent out (I can’t hear exactly what she says ) but god the whole thing smacks of brainwashed propaganda . I hope that good woman gets some kind of public platform to speak up more so glad JK has retweeted

aweegc · 29/11/2022 22:41

A wee weekend in a Cornton Vale cell with a recently self ID'd woman sex offender just moved over from Barlinnie may be a mind changing experience for some in that room.

These women are so astoundingly self-centred. It doesn't matter how many times you or I have been raped or sexually assaulted. It doesn't matter if we talk about it publicly and relive the trauma or make ourselves vulnerable just by mentioning it. It doesn't even matter if we were assaulted by someone who identified as trans. Our safety - psychological and physical - are utterly irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is their intoxication on the fumes of their own virtuosity.

ReedRite · 29/11/2022 22:42

Well done that woman!

As for those clapping her removal.... why the fuck are they involving themselves in efforts to stop violence against women and girls if they don't actually give a fuck about the safety of women and girls?

howmanybicycles · 29/11/2022 22:46

nilsmousehammer · 29/11/2022 19:34

Bravo that woman!

And shame on every woman there who sat and listened. They are indeed complicit in every rape, every woman's mental and physical health injured by the assault and rape of a male person whose ego was deemed more important than a female's body.

This.

howmanybicycles · 29/11/2022 22:52

God imagine clapping when someone who values women's safety is shut up. It bone chilling to realise how little these women care about other women. It is such an enactment of a privilege and hypocrisy

catandcoffee · 29/11/2022 22:52

Christ can't believe they clap....traitors 😡

HopRockers · 29/11/2022 23:01

"You can NOT shut me down" 👑👑👑

That man literally in the centre of the room 🤬

VaggieMight · 29/11/2022 23:12

I listened to the response by NS. She said "women" - meaning transwomen - should not be further stigmatised by the fact that self-ID will mean that some men will "change gender" to commit violence against women.

By completely dropping the T now she is framing male violence as a woman problem.

I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing so I did my best to transcribe - it's not prefect but the headlines are there:

"…clearly about these issues that, all of us, whichever way [hand motions] feel very strongly about. Much more, I’m going to say today is about male violence against women, because it is about men who commit violence against women. In my long(?) experience now most men who commit violence against women don’t feel the need to change gender to do that. Those who do, my argument is we should focus on them because they are men abusing a system to attack women. What we shouldn’t do is further stigmatise a group of women who are already too stigmatised already” [applause]

pattihews · 29/11/2022 23:24

Well done, that woman!

ReedRite · 29/11/2022 23:26

VaggieMight · 29/11/2022 23:12

I listened to the response by NS. She said "women" - meaning transwomen - should not be further stigmatised by the fact that self-ID will mean that some men will "change gender" to commit violence against women.

By completely dropping the T now she is framing male violence as a woman problem.

I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing so I did my best to transcribe - it's not prefect but the headlines are there:

"…clearly about these issues that, all of us, whichever way [hand motions] feel very strongly about. Much more, I’m going to say today is about male violence against women, because it is about men who commit violence against women. In my long(?) experience now most men who commit violence against women don’t feel the need to change gender to do that. Those who do, my argument is we should focus on them because they are men abusing a system to attack women. What we shouldn’t do is further stigmatise a group of women who are already too stigmatised already” [applause]

What an absolute berk Sturgeon is.

ReedRite · 29/11/2022 23:29

howmanybicycles · 29/11/2022 22:52

God imagine clapping when someone who values women's safety is shut up. It bone chilling to realise how little these women care about other women. It is such an enactment of a privilege and hypocrisy

This.

ArcaneWireless · 29/11/2022 23:35

That woman was beyond magnificent.

The others? Not so much. The perfect opportunity to stand up and support what you know is right.

I’d be black affronted if I were you.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/11/2022 23:42

One woman did not clap…shame she didn’t stand up and be counted. Safe space for all women my arse.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/11/2022 23:46

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 22:15

I was going to say the same about that third clip. You know these women who are happy to throw other women under the bus exist. But seeing them in action Shock same goes for the annoyed looking one in the white jumper, huffing and puffing our rights away.

Absolutely!

CharlieParley · 30/11/2022 01:09

Thanks for the transcript, VaggieMight I wouldn't have ever imagined that's the argument NS would be making in response, but I can't say I'm surprised. Everything else she has said on the issue was straight out of trans rights campaigners' talking points after all.

This may, if I'm feeling charitable, explain her abysmal stance on the issue - she does not seem to understand that safeguarding requires doing exactly what she says we shouldn't do: treat a whole group as a potential risk to prevent harm and to keep vulnerable people safe.

(Such as zero alcohol driving laws - which treats every single person as a potentially unsafe and irresponsible driver - or having to have your criminal records check before being allowed to work in school - which treats every adult as a potentially unsafe person around children.)

MargaritaPie · 30/11/2022 01:31

Transcript?

MargaritaPie · 30/11/2022 01:42

Also this:

That's Nicola telt.
ForeverFaithless · 30/11/2022 01:43

Ah Margy plopper, come to tell us how to think?
Again.

Maybe use your reading skills to read the whole thread and you'll find the info you are looking for.

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