That's Nicola telt.

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https://twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1597652609250119681?s=46&t=r0rB0VUPxPN48APJwhS_kg

I know she's been mentioned on another thread but flowers please for this brave woman.

Amazing, brave woman.

So Sturgeon knows damn well men will abuse the system and women and girls will be harmed due to her batshit self ID policy, but hey, who gives a shit as long as the men who claim to be women get their special gender feelings validated.
Women and girls are just collateral damage.

What a shero that wummin is . If I knew who she was, I'd send hdr flowers and wine . Sturgeon is a horrible powermad manpleasing control freak. The other women shame me . I too remember when Zero Tolerance became up and running . I was in a band and we did a couple of fundraisers for the campaign kicking off. Where I came from, domestic violence was very much as regular, "so so's da hame fae the pub hitting the maw " occurrence. When I became involved with a violent man , the father of my youngest , a few years later , I eventually knew I could get myself and my baby a different kind of life and I did - I got rid of the b*stard.
I am so angry that Sturgeon thinks it is acceptable for women prisoners to share the prison estate with violent and sexually abusive males. How fecking dare she ?
Anyway - well done to that sister !

What an embarrassment that you think this woman is in the right.

She did say though she supports trans rights so clearly not a true believer.

Hang on? @MargaritaPie

You haven’t popped over to answer whether your dismissal of violence displayed against women where some substance has been thrown/sprayed is just callous hatred of women or ignorance on what constitutes as a violent act.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4687312-kjk-assaulted-at-hyde-park-sfw-meeting?page=3

Just in case you thought readers wouldn’t notice.

A bit hypocritical to be commenting on another thread about violence against women and girls when you dismiss violence against women you disagree with the way you have recently, don’t you think?

What rights of trans people do you believe regular posters on this board do not support, Mishy?

Please be very specific so we can assess whether you have any understanding of our discussions on this board, or are just posting yet another one of your misaimed ‘gotchas’ based on your own deep prejudices and not material reality .

Lols I wouldn’t know where to start. It’s disingenuous on your part to suggest people on here think trans people should have any equality. They already have it apparently.

So… no? You won’t give even one specific example?

There shouldn't be a problem with transgender. However, the relationship between the generally 'understood' meaning of gender, sex, identity and the importance of an established anchor called logic is essential. Freedom of thought needs order, just like an aeroplane needs accurate angles that if not exact, will stop it flying. The ordered construct doesn't dictate where it flies to, it just enables it.
Why aren't we seeing men arguing about women transitioning to men? Why is there a tsunami of arguments about men transitioning to women? Maybe because Women are always attacked first.
It's become clear lately that there's an aggressive part of the trans community that doesn't seem to care/acknowledge that it's men they are afraid of, and acts like it's the woman's job to save them, well no it's not. Welcome to our world and instead of blaming us for protecting us, maybe look at the men you're running away from and understand why we're a little threatened by an all too familiar rage against us and show some respect.

Your track record speaks for itself for misrepresentions and your own prejudices.

You don’t want to give a specific example?

Or is this just another one of your posts meant to be pointing a finger of shame at women who disagree with you?

Classic darvo. I won’t engage with it.

nicola is a true supporter of women’s rights.

as the committees found, no examples provided to the committee where self Id had had the impacts suggested of the proposed legislation.

all it does is make trans people lives a little easier. To suggest otherwise is as I said, disingenuous.

it makes one proud of how Nicola stands up to all the prejudice and bigotry.

Would you like to point out the darvo in that post, mishy ?

Would you like me to support what I have said? I am very happy to. We have a long history of interaction so I have quite a bit to post.

Or maybe you would like to clarify who you meant in your accusation:

‘She did say though she supports trans rights so clearly not a true believer.’

Maybe I was wrong and you were attempting to portray regular posters on this board as being people who don’t support human rights for trans people?

Maybe I was wrong and you were NOT attempting to portray regular posters on this board as being people who don’t support human rights for trans people?

I an a bit new to all of this so apologies if I get this wrong,

I was reading on the Gender Critical in Ireland thread in Craicnet about the transgender women in Limerick Prison.

As Self ID is in place in Ireland, why are the transgender woman being segregated from women? (rightly so in my opinion with the reports of abuse being shouted at women prisoners )

Is Self ID just a tokenistic gesture but when it comes to single sex places, biological sex still takes precedence? Or is the Irish Prison Service transphobic?

Will Scotland be the same?

nicola is a true supporter of women’s rights.

Hardly. She has allowed a male to be employed in a role that was set aside for females directly off the top of my head. A male who insists that female reframe their trauma to allow males to be considered females.

And didn’t Nicola seek to prioritise gender over sex for women being able to request same sex medical examiners after sexual assault? Supported by that male who should have been advocating for traumatised female’s needs as per that job description?

That is not supporting women’s rights as far as I can see. Or maybe you meant other than that and other instances?

as the committees found, no examples provided to the committee where self Id had had the impacts suggested of the proposed legislation.

Really? Is that just like the consultation they claimed was supportive, that wasn’t at all supportive but they just ignored it?

Did they hear from the women in the Scottish prisons? The ones surveyed that pointed out the males that immediately detransitioned upon their release from Scottish prisons?

Did they speak to the women traumatised by having to share spaces with a sex offender?

all it does is make trans people lives a little easier. To suggest otherwise is as I said, disingenuous.

No you implied that feminists don’t believe trans people should have the same rights as everyone else. And failed to specifically state a right that they should have that they don’t.

You even said, “It’s disingenuous on your part to suggest people on here think trans people should have any equality. They already have it apparently.”

Yet couldn’t specifically name a right that you believe trans people should have above every one else that they don’t have, that people on this board don’t support.

What ‘equality’ do they lack?

It really seems you are just repeating trope that you have read somewhere else or you are negatively generalising about people on this board, or some other misrepresentation.

it makes one proud of how Nicola stands up to all the prejudice and bigotry.

Well, you can stick with your beliefs. But they don’t sound like they are formed on a solid foundation of feminism to me.

Darvo is a pretty serious accusation @MishyJDI . I do look forward to your taking me through the darvo in my post so that either I will know not to do it next time, and apologise, or I will know that it is an empty accusation.

In which case, it would be a claim of victimhood to distract from the request that you back up yet another of your shaming attempts aimed at feminists you don’t agree with. And I am also happy to go back to the numerous posts of yours which have established this pattern. (Wouldn’t a false and unsupportable accusation be darvo in action?)

And all because you were asked:

“What rights of trans people do you believe regular posters on this board do not support, Mishy?”

And still don’t seem to be able to answer it.

So please, support your accusation.

nicola is a true supporter of women’s rights.

How is not allowing open discussion around single sex spaces for victims of male violence against women and girls being a true supporter of women’s rights?

twitter.com/magnusllewellin/status/1597478235943718913?s=46&t=5QlSZQQdd6XQNmYIiptzxg

Genuinely? How can any person writing on a feminist board declare Sturgeon is a true supporter of women if women cannot openly discuss single sex spaces?

How totalitarian is Nicola to not allow that discussion?

Couldn’t agree with you more.

So @MishyJDI i know I’ve asked you before but never got an answer. What rights do transpeople want that everyone else has. They already have the same rights as every other person. Are you saying they want extra rights, so there would be a heirarchy of rights?

Brave lady. I am so proud of her.

Copied from twitter

Well done that woman! I think Kafka could be writing the script for some of the apologists tying themselves up in knots.

What Nicola does not seem to recognise is that she is arguing for the complete abolition of any protected spaces for anyone. It makes no sense to have gender segregated spaces at all in her world view. So we should have no men and women's prisons at all. Just mix everyone up together. What a bigot she is for treating all men as if they're dangerous.

as the committees found, no examples provided to the committee where self Id had had the impacts suggested of the proposed legislation.

Sorry, Mishy, but as there is ample evidence that the committee refused to listen to people who came to tell them about negative impacts of self id and refused to listen to organisations who beg to differ, I am going to call out this lie immediately. It is astounding a governmental committee not only refuses to engage with conflicting opinions backed up with evidence, but then blatantly lie about there not being any evidence. Worse than toddlers sticking their fingers in their ears going 'I can't hear you'

So this law will be passed, women will be harmed, women will have to crowdfund lawsuits again, just to get a government to take them into consideration. What other group of people get sidelined like that?

Brave Brave woman.

The rest of the women in that room, not so much.

»reframe your trauma» is one of the worst and most insidious insults I’ve ever come across. It is hard to accept that such a bloke gets to run what should be a safe organisation for women.

I will not reframe my trauma, Thank you kindly.
If a man thinks it is more important for him to be in a space than it is for a fellow human to feel safe and supported in that same space, WHICH IT IS SET UP TO BE, he can get to fuck.