Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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I bet if KJK had spoken about issues specific to Brighton, she'd have been told to keep her beak out of local affairs.

Thanks, I am seeing them at the weekend so will bring it up.

@SapphosRock

KJK has stayed silent on all the issues we are campaigning for, she did not mention the mixed sex domestic violence refuges, the rape crisis centre court case or any of the other issues affecting women and girls here.

From the times I've watched KJK I would say that she tends not to go for specific causes and issues (other than recentlyish saying her goal was the repeal of the GRA if I recall correctly). Her message and drive is to maintain the safety and dignity of women and girls and to protect children from being drawn into an ideology that can do them real harm.

I suppose what I'm saying is that while i can see that it looks like her visit to Brighton was not as beneficial to raising the profile of the issues you are facing locally as you would have liked, the overarching message is regarding the safety of women and girls and single sex refuges would surely fall under that?

I'm not making that accusation either but maybe said "high minded" feminists should examine what it is about their behaviour that has made such an accusation plausible to some people. (What are the rest of us lessers? Low minded?)

To be fair to Sappho that was my slightly snarky description that she's using.

To be fair to Sappho that was my slightly snarky description that she's using.
Sorry I missed that.

KJK has stayed silent on all the issues we are campaigning for, she did not mention the mixed sex domestic violence refuges, the rape crisis centre court case or any of the other issues affecting women and girls here.

Sappho I know this has been raised already but, in the light of some of previous threads about Brighton, I can't make sense of this comment. I'm pretty sure I've seen you refer to very sensitive talks going on behind closed doors. Didn't you say that real progress was being made and that the mere act of KJK coming to Brighton, let alone talking about your campaigns, could set all that progress back? Am I mistaken?

I agree Flo

Sappho said these were going on behind closed doors. Last thing you would want surely would to be have a loud speaker focus on delicate relationships.

Building general awareness is what KJK does. She rarely gets involved in specific issues because other groups do that so well. She builds the awareness and women go and seek their local groups and they work on local issues while also feeding into the national issues.

This is what I recall, also. You can't have it both ways! And of course you could have gone to the event yourselves and spoken about it there, which is what other women have done to promote their campaigns and issues.

But as I say, I'm sure KJK would be happy to lend her voice in support of your campaigns if you asked her to do so. It's TerfTalk tonight I believe so you could call her up and ask her yourself.

I have never got the impression that KJK cares one way or the other about anyones sexual orientation whichever sex they are, sex they are attracted to or gender they say they think they are.

She does care about biological women retaining or regaining their single sex rights which are under attack by biological men, but that has absolutely nothing to do with who anyone wants to have sex with.

On what grounds are they accusing her of a so called hate crime against anyone on the grounds of sexual orientation?

Well I notice that the sin page is still up on the Brighton Feminist website.

Really, Sappho,? Do you really wonder between that and the Actual left Facebook page why people draw the conclusions they do? After we spent a whole thread pointing out the hatred in that page and that site.

If you genuinely wanted her help on specific local issues, you talk to her. But bringing her into local issues will then put her into contact with the very people publishing their extreme prejudice against her on public forums under their own names. It would take a saintly soul to work with people who have done that.

Would it not be setting her up to be the scape goat?

Anyone who says “the purpose of a voluntary interview is for you to give your side of the story” has never been targeted by a serial complainant.

I’ve had this call and I was afraid, not least because the complainant was one of their own (bent copper). The fear makes you behave as though you are hiding something.

posie Parker will be fine because she is comfortable she has done nothing wrong and she is not afraid. They get you through your fear.

It's TerfTalk tonight I believe so you could call her up and ask her yourself.

Great idea.

It will be an interesting night then if someone from Brighton calls to invite her to highlight local issues AND Lachlan Stuart calls in to explain his words.

KJK did a video the other day where she explained her events - it literally is let women speak. You and anyone else in Brighton could have turned up and said exactly what you wanted about all the local issues.

I respect KJK more for not bulldozing in and pontificating upon local issues she knows nothing about. She lets women speak (unlike others who claim to speak for women whose lives they know nothing about).

If you watched the US tour, there were a huge range of women from lesbian democrats to conservative Christians. I'm sure KJK didn't agree with all the opinions on display, but she focuses on what unites rather than divides. Wherever they were coming from, all those women were against medical harm to children and gender indoctrination in schools.

I think what she does is so powerful because she just does let women speak without censure without an immediate 'oh well, yes, you're a conservative Christian (subtext: obviously really evil) and obviously I don't agree with that but...'. No, she just simply lets normal women speak. Who the fuck else is doing that?

She is magnificent.

I don't really understand why anyone from Brighton would want KJK to talk about local issues she probably won't fully understand rather than calling up and just talking about them themselves?

To repeat myself - her whole point is that normal women should have a voice and shouldn't be told what they can and can't say by EITHER side of the debate. They should be free to speak up when they think harm is being done to children, whatever their other views.

Thinking about it, it's not surprising that the police - steeped in misogyny, who produced Wayne Couzens - think it's imperative they shut up the woman letting women speak freely. I don't rate their chances though.

"I hate you why won't you notice me?" The new single by the High Minded Feminists.

KJK did a video the other day where she explained her events - it literally is let women speak. You and anyone else in Brighton could have turned up and said exactly what you wanted about all the local issues.

We've been through this to death. Some local feminists did turn up and speak, Helen Saxby for example. She ended up being live streamed on the hearts of oak website alongside Tommy Robinson. Hence the massive fallout. Hence why everyone now considers feminists in Brighton to be the enemy because they object to alignment with the far right. And now those feminists are being accused of reporting KJK to the police.

None of this is benefiting women and girls, but I am sure KJK is selling lots of teeshirts so that's okay then.

KJK hasn't 'stayed silent' on anything because its not she who does the talking. She gives the mic to other women. You're blaming her because other women didn't take it.

Take it. Ask her for it. I'm sure she'll hand it right over.

None of this is benefiting women and girls, but I am sure KJK is selling lots of teeshirts so that's okay then.
Are you implying she's trying to get herself arrested for the publicity?

Yes it has been done to death. Including how on earth KJK was supposed to be responsible for some random people who nobody recognised turning up and filming. Alf Up A Tree did an excellent video on it, which has beenmposted in previous threads.

The tshirt dig is unworthy of you Sapphos.

Nah it's another dig that the Totally Real Left Wing Genuine Gender Critical The Only Real Feminists types make: KJK is only in it for money and self promotion.

They should watch her livestream from last night, not that they will.

I actually found watching the US videos really interesting in part because I did find it quite uncomfortable watching the evangelical Christian women speak and I think it's so rare these days that you get to see normal people speaking openly - everything is through a distorted media filter and everyone tends to gravitate towards the filter that aligns with their worldview. It's not healthy for a democratic society in which speech is really free.

It's one of the things about being GC - otherwise I'm left all the way so it's weird being so incredibly sure of my (scientific, fact based) ground on this one issue so out of line with people who share the rest of my views. I feel like the rest of the left wing are now utterly convinced the world is flat. It's that strange.

KJKs videos really challenged me. It made me question - given I feel uncomfortable listening to this do I really believe in religious freedoms? Or only certain religions? Or only if people believe but don't speak about their beliefs? If someone this evangelical was being persecuted for their religion, would I let it go?

I reached a point of yes, I think that some of what this woman is saying is utter crap but I agree with her on not cutting off children's healthy breasts and lying about something as basic as the material reality of sex. So I can find common cause and yes, I might think some of what she's saying is utter crap but she's not trying to convert anyone here, just saying what she thinks and she should have the right to do that. I think I benefited hugely from listening to those women speak, rather than immediately dismissing them as evil evangelical Republicans.

Some local feminists did turn up and speak, Helen Saxby for example. She ended up being live streamed on the hearts of oak website alongside Tommy Robinson.

OMG.

And why are you blaming KJK for this, rather than Helen Saxby!?

Surely Helen Saxby has responsibility for vetting the people filming her, if she wants them vetted?

Or is KJK Helen Saxby's mum?

This will be the third or fourth time KJK has been threatened with arrest because TRAs weaponise the police.

The first time, two officers drove hundreds of miles and had to stay over in another county in order to show her that their entire body of 'evidence' was that she'd used the word castration. Susie Green didn't like it because it sounded like a word you'd use for a sex offender.

The police actually said that.

That was it.

Then second time she was informed but was because she was 'being untoward towards paedophiles'.

And now it's to do with hate crimes based on sexual orientation. You'll note she asked the officer to repeat that. Because, clearly they're so uninformed that to them this is about homosexuality.

There IS no evidence of crimes, because she hasn't committed any. We all know that. We also know that the disgusting behaviour is coming from TRAs including manipulating the police against women.

So KJK is somehow responsible for letting other women speak and then random men (allegedly right wing) turning up and videoing that other woman speaking?

I mean, I get that women are responsible for everything bad men do (which rule of misogyny - help me out here?) but this is a bit ridiculous even so.

If Brighton women haven't reported KJK then why does it matter - it's just not true? Of all the lies spread around it seems like this is probably the easiest to just deny. There will be a record of who the complainant is, it'll come out eventually.

I don't see how the Hearts of Oak thing is anything at all to do with KJK except that she's creating events where people can speak, which I think it's impossible to argue is bad.

As far as selling t-shirts go, she's only selling them to get the message out. So many people are still sticking their heads in the sand on gender ideology.

I'm fairly sure that if KJK wanted a job in a marketing department somewhere at this point she could get a six figure salary no problem and give all this up, which I'm sure would be much more lucrative than what she's doing. She's doing this for women but mainly to protect kids. She has that mother tiger thing going on.

What marketing department wouldn't snap her up? She's a genius.