Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

[ScreamingMeMe]

I just can't get my head around the segue between "She shouldn't come to Brighton, she will tarnish our good works by association" to "she came to Brighton and didn't even mention our good works!"

None of this is benefiting women and girls, but I am sure KJK is selling lots of teeshirts so that's okay then.

How many more times are you going to mention the T shirts today, Sappho? Is she secretly paying you to advertise them?

Some local feminists did turn up and speak, Helen Saxby for example. She ended up being live streamed on the hearts of oak website alongside Tommy Robinson.

Wait, what? So Helen stood next to TR and talked alongside him? I didn't even know TR was there. Why did she stand alongside him? Were they talking together or he was just standing next to her as she talked? This is all news to me.

Or do you just mean HoO livestreamed the event? Because that's not really a problem, is it? Anyone can film an event, doesn't mean the people being filmed are associated with the people filming it. That would be ridiculous.

Or is KJK Helen Saxby's mum?

😂😂

And here we have it. The mummies shouldn't get above themselves, the mummies should only do what we want 'waah, waah'.

Though the good mummies who really have their children's best interests at heart say 'No' sometimes and of course then a massive toddler tantrum ensues. Is this what we're seeing?

She ended up being live streamed on the hearts of oak website alongside Tommy Robinson.

You should probably clarify the wording of this Sappho, if you want people to believe you are in good faith.

The message is all over the damn shop. Don't want anything to do with her, but when they see her reach suddenly they do. But not really.

It's envy of her popularity and power, but wanting to control it all. Not realising that the control they would exercise would kill it all stone dead.

Sapphos I'm not being funny but what do you honestly want to achieve by criticising her? What's the goal?

I have got one of KJ's T-shirts but I'm tempted to buy one now out of sheer contrariness.

Hence why everyone now considers feminists in Brighton to be the enemy because they object to alignment with the far right.

And yet, the sin page is still up. Do you deny that there are prominent Brighton feminists posting on the Actual Gender Critical Left fb group?

These are right before your eyes Sappho, I don't think you can continue to deny that there is a reason why other women feel that maybe there are some significant issues within the group there. It is hyperbolic to say that people think feminists in Brighton are the 'enemy'.

And now it's to do with hate crimes based on sexual orientation. You'll note she asked the officer to repeat that. Because, clearly they're so uninformed that to them this is about homosexuality.

This is why we need the t-shirts. The t-shirts are the billboard.

So many people really don't understand the issues at all still - even, apparently, the police when trying to arrest someone over these issues.

I'm sort of hoping it's the 'men with a penis can't be lesbians' comment that's been reported as hateful because we all know that there is insane hateful lesbophobia from TIMs trying to get lesbians to do dick. Some sunlight on this would be good.

What world do we inhabit where men suggesting that lesbian women are bigots for not sleeping with them is not hateful but women saying anyone with a penis isn't a lesbian is hateful?

I have one but only worn it once. I liked the red "female" top she was wearing last night.

I always hope that the t-shirts will magically give me some of KJK's allure. I have so far been sadly disappointed.

I'm not even sure where I stand myself with KJK but I have to admit I'm baffled by this (and other) mentions of t-shirts.

Do Brighton Feminists have a t-shirt for sale which has had disappointing sales or something? Why has 'seller of t-shirts' become such a dig? I don't see the same approbation thrown at other people or organisations which sell items which could be described as feminist - Birdy Rose, various makers of green, white and purple scarves, earrings, and pins sold by (for example) FWS.

What is with this thing with the t-shirts?

Yes. I agree.

And also then also to clarify how you get a video removed from a 'channel' when it was taken legally from the public. And are we then supposed to be targeting a TV channel to have video clips taken down if they appear on the iplayer at the same time as something we disagree with?

I sure you have worked it out. But it is to reduce KJK to only be successful in selling merchandise and to not have achieved anything else.

Yes, it's a head scratcher. Maybe because KJK is just to overt when selling. Just too 'trade' dahling.

Just too 'trade' dahling.

I did wonder about this. But then again, I don't really understand UK class politics so I wasn't sure.

What is with this thing with the t-shirts?

It's impure. Both for the seller and the purchaser.

A properly pure church-like project would have people giving money as donations and expecting nothing in return.

(Also, it's a bit lower-class, trade).

It's because the T-shirts are bloody nice, KJK shamelessly sells them like a barrow boy (or girl) and does effective things with the money.

Yes, it's all very COMMON.

I bought a bright orange 'female' sweatshirt and a suffragette scarf. I'd like a vinyl 'woman' t-shirt with a v-neck... I am slowly becoming a walking billboard!

How is making money from T shirts different to having a Patreon or a paid Substack? At least you get something to show for your cash.

This is an interesting post @1984onstilts . Thought provoking and nuanced.
There is something important about not being exposed to/fearful of hearing views you don't agree with (I first really noticed this with Brexit)
It eem to me, that what KJK is doing/ and the controversy it causes, is really bringing this phenomena to the forefront.
Have you seen this thread?
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4679836-is-it-okay-to-work-with-groups-whose-principles-you-dont-share-as-a-feminist-but-there-is-a-common-cause.
Kind of links with what you are talking about. Your post here could easily be part of the discussion on that thread too

I understood the focus on selling shirts is to diminish her to being a spruiker and to keep her as being considered feminist at all. That she is spruiking to promote herself and herself only.

That she is not working to progress the needs of women and children, she is in it for the glory for herself, and that she is not 'pure'.

It also neatly avoids the issue that she has to sell merchandise to raise money. At her events she hands out free stickers and things, she funds signs for protests. But some people may also be attempting to portray her as raising this money for herself. I don't know.

It seems very childish to keep referring to her having to raise funds in this way as if it is some how a fault.

It also gets the message out there. People are 'the billboard'.

I reached a point of yes, I think that some of what this woman is saying is utter crap but I agree with her on not cutting off children's healthy breasts and lying about something as basic as the material reality of sex.

And guess what, this works in reverse. A lot of people are saying exactly that about the left-wing radical feminists opposing this stuff.

A lot of people don't go along with everything radical feminists believe, but they're right on this one.

I still don't understand why KJK is impure and bringing the GC movement down with her openness to "right wing" GCs and money making from T-shirts; but somehow Julie Bindel selling herself via her words printed in the Daily Mail is pure and good.