Why? What is the endgame for TRAs

[Brefugee]

I keep wondering why this is all happening now. What was the actual trigger point of people like Nicola Sturgeon becoming so adamant that the rights of Trans people have to be promoted and fought for at this time?

Why is it desireable that GRCs be obtainable so quickly? Does it all go back to Foucault and his post-modernist cronies? What is it that Sturgeon and Trudeau and other governments who are falling over themselves to push a trans-agenda up to? what is in it for them?

To be clear: I'm not rabidly anti-trans and up to now it hasn't really impinged on my life in any other way (I did know two transwomen way back but have lost touch. I do know a couple of young transmen and they seem fine but i don't know them well). I am painfully aware, of course, that other people's lives are being hugely impacted by this (seemingly?) sudden surge in transwomen and am very keen, as a 2nd wave feminist, that women are protected and allowed to live their lives and achieve their full potential in any way they can/want to. (so I'm not TWAW - i'm in favour of either fully proper unisex spaces or 3rd spaces)

I just don't get why. Why now? Why Canada? Why Scotland? Why anywhere?

Performative Progressiveism which is why its worst in small countries, NZ, Scotland, Canada

And of course ripping off the mask that any of these men gave a toss about women... allowing all the misogyny to spew out.

I think misogyny is the driver for many TRAs.

Some people support the erosion of boundaries protecting women and children.

Ireland is so desperate to rid itself of one bunch of blokes in dresses and their female acolytes telling people how to live their lives , it has replaced it with another.
It wants to seem progressive and world leading on human rights and protecting the environment. It's tolerably ok on the latter.

Feelings. It's always about their feelings.

yes forgot about Ireland... of course their self ID laws were snuck in a la Denton's

Malta too!

Honestly? Reshaping society according to the tenets of queer theory is endgame.

I’d rather link you a feminist source on it but I’m not good at saving bookmarks, so here’s a recent article that explains pretty well what that means though it’s from a right wing perspective. www.city-journal.org/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour

I’m not going to claim that every TRA explicitly wants this; lots of them are just following the purple haired herd. But it’s the direction the trans movement as a whole (as well as ancillary sideshows like Drag Queen Story Time) is trying to push us.

Everything they want, whenever they want it.

I don't honestly think the bulk of them have thought it through.

I assume it's porn and the internet that's caused the social patterns to swirl the way they have, rather than anyone with a careful goal and deadline.

Dentons though... pushing things through under the radar.
It's quite specific.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

The whole thing generates a lot of money for a lot of people in different capacities.

I don't think anyone really knows......

Ideas

1/ USA libertarianism. The ultimate liberationism, in a free market anyone can be anyone. That includes remodelling your body to reflect your "soul".

2/ USA capitalism. Can the American health care system be trusted on this? When they make a profit out of making physically healthy people dependent on drugs for the rest of their lives.

3/ Queer Theory. Boundary pushing, to change a society that they see as centering people who are heterosexual or haven't got gender dysphoria. Power struggle by those who "feel" oppressed.
There are also those in this group who wish to erode boundaries around age of consent. Like PIE in the 70s. Eroding women's sex based rights helps a certain type of person too.....

4/ Finding a tribe /rebellion. There's definitely a social contagion element to all of this. Young people especially want to fit in with the Rainbow. It's belonging to something and now the letters are as long as the alphabet, anyone who wants to can. The QT elements are the only thing my kids and I disagree about, nothing else to rebel against. It is almost spiritual with holy days, and months of observance. Maybe humans need that? To believe in something beyond science eg humans can change sex.

5/ There is no doubt the Internet has magnified and sped up social changes of all types. Protests seem more fragmented and niche, as the culture wars heat up. And yet the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

6/ Mental health. I do think the worsening of mental health, especially amongst the young is a factor. Our lack of understanding of neuro diverse people doesn't help either.

7/ Puritanism. "The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats." Aldous Huxley

8/ Virtue Signalling. Politicians and institutions definitely saw this as an easy win. Get brownie points from the youth and all you've really got to do is open the loos to all comers.

9/ Homophobia. In fundamentalist religions it seems to be better to trans away the gay. We've seen this frequently in some cultures and it was mentioned in by Tavistock whistle blowers.

10/ Keeping the lobby group staff paid. After the great battles for equal rights for LGB people had been won, what next for the Stonewalls of this world. They've literally built an industry out of all this.

Two fictional works look at what's going on: Simon Edge in the End of the World is flat has a right wing billionaire at centre.
Ben Elton, in Identity Crisis, has the Russians as the cause.

Kathleen Stock is good on the emergence of the queer theory sex is meaningless nonsense.

thank you all - certainly something to think about. I have a book by Kathleen Stock so maybe i should start there.

I think many of them are daft young adults who still have got a lot of growing up to do. They have been indulged since they were born.

This is their way of rebelling.

5 / 10 years time it will be something else and the majority of the current TRAs will have realised how wrong they were (or had daughters).

It's the middle aged men that I think are the biggest danger. They are going nowhere.

The fact that you can reel off a long list of motivations, and that's there's not a single clearly identifiable root cause, explains why it's been so successful.

There's "something for everyone", or at least something for all sorts of motivations.

It's a very-well adapted ideology. (At least in the short-term, until it ends up killing its host).

Lots of different things, I expect.

People/parties/countries with a poor historical record on gay rights being told that this is the new gay rights and thinking 'OK, this is a votewinner/the right thing to do/the trendy thing to do' without actually considering the ramifications or going into the whole thing in any depth.

Big Pharma and the US healthcare industry spotting a huge moneymaking opportunity and having no ethical/budgetary restraints to hold them back.

Social media.

Stonewall and equivalent organisations across the rich countries of the world thinking 'OK, we seem to have achieved most of our campaign aims - do we disband? Do we look for something less high profile but important and useful like setting up local support groups for lesbians and gay men? Do we shift focus to campaign for gay rights in other countries where they still face massive discrimination? Or do we look for something else which is very on trend and will bring in a lot of money so we can carry on with our existing high staffing levels and good salaries for the top people? No brainer!'

Education system under pressure to push up exam results so schools teaching to the test and not spending time on anything that won't be examined, e.g. learning to think critically, reading widely. University students treated as consumers because of the huge fees they are charged, and their feedback and prejudices accepted uncritically and used to decide on staff promotions and departmental policies.

I expect there's a lot more.

As for why Sturgeon cares so much? Dunno, I doubt she really believes humans can magically change sex.

I suspect she wants set up Scotland as different to England, and this is one way of doing it. Look at how amazing and liberal we are! Ignore the drugs deaths and the transport infrastructure meltdown.

She needs the Greens to have a majority, and I think this was a deal breaker. The Greens in Scotland have been totally captured. There's such a danger in all this of individuals with their own agendas capturing democratic institutions. The Greens in Scotland are quite mad, and are thinking of breaking with the "transphobic " English Greens.

There's some very misogynist politicians that hate women in Scotland. They've got her ear.

I think she's scared of the youth wing. Dentons Road map suggests using young people to capture political parties...... and this is what they have done.

In my humble opinion

I believe that in the beginning it was transsexual rights that were being genuinely fought for by people who had gender dysphoria. After long and vigorous testing these individuals cannot be treated apart from cross sex hormones

But sadly I believe this movement has been corrupted by people with a sexual fetish who wish to destroy woman's boundaries and make it easier for them to hurt us.

Always about the money ultimately.

She needs the Greens to have a majority, and I think this was a deal breaker. The Greens in Scotland have been totally captured. There's such a danger in all this of individuals with their own agendas capturing democratic institutions. The Greens in Scotland are quite mad, and are thinking of breaking with the "transphobic " English Greens.

blimey - Everything i've read about the English Greens on this subject have made me think they were completely captured.

I suppose i just have a really hard time understanding how so many apparently rational people believe such a batshit thing. I saw one prominent trans woman on twitter claim to have XX chromosones and a cervix.

Sturgeon - i think it's because Westminster is wakening up.

She needs to be the nice one, she needs to be better than England, so she will drive it through without a 2nd thought for those it harms.

Her hatred of England is so strong that she is blinkered.

Green party bonkerness 👇

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/709f9cc8-4e57-11ed-b120-ca4f3ffbcdc5?shareToken=6dbe5bfaa113f0eb5d8a03136623a04b

Yeah, another misogynistic culture beholden to dogma - swopping one religion for another etc

Excellent post @KatMcBundleFace