There’s no froth or disgust on this thread. I feel the arguments are very straightforward as we are talking about basic concepts. Sex isn’t on a spectrum, it’s not nuanced, it’s male and female.
Some people may not want to hear that, but it doesn’t stop it being true. I think it’s unfair and cruel to tell a child that they can change sex, that they were born in the wrong body etc
People with genuine body dysphoria who go on to medically transition have always been a tiny percentage of the population. It’s a horrendous condition, which requires intense treatment including psychotherapy. For many the transition still brings no peace, and I’m sure most people have complete sympathy for such individuals; I know I do.
But that’s not the current debate. We’re being told to refer to high profile, white, middle aged men with huge privilege, such as Eddie Izzard, as “she”. EI says “I’m a woman” and women are expected to nod along. EI describes switching between girl and boy mode. For starters they are nearly 60, so not a boy or a girl. They also say they feel like a girl when they’ve got their high heels on. Gender stereotype anyone? I never wear high heels - am I a man?
Philip Bunce, or Pip when they go to Credit Suisse dressed as a woman. They spend half the week as a man, the rest “as” a woman, on which days they use the female toilets. That’s not gender dysphoria or somebody considering transition, it’s cross dressing, or AGP. If a man has either of the latter in his life that’s fine, but don’t tell me I have to accept them as a female and use female pro nouns. They’re a man.
Male prisoners, in most UK cases sex offenders, self identifying as women to be incarcerated in female prisons. Google Karen White.
In sexual assault cases the female victim in court has been ordered by the judge to refer to her male attacker as she, as the attacker has subsequently identified as a woman.
This is what women are being presented with when it comes to arguing for our sex based rights. The froth and screaming comes from the other side. You only have to watch the Standing for Women meetings on YouTube to see who hurls the insults and threats, who tries to disrupt and drown out. It’s not the women.
And before you ask, I’ve used the pronoun “they” where necessary instead of he or she. I do this because I don’t want to be banned. What does that tell you, eh?