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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling's New Friends

148 replies

PerkyBlinder · 18/10/2022 18:03

Just been sent this video after I said I thought JK is pretty fierce and I have a lot of respect for her.

My initial feeling is it's a big smear campaign and much may be false or exaggerated? Not sure what to respond to them. Is there a quick way to debunk all or much of it?

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ool0n · 19/10/2022 13:40

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn - "Anyway, I think it’s disgusting that (by the TRA Alignment Principle) oolon thinks that lesbians are sexual racists, that child safeguarding is a transphobic dogwhistle, that male penis having rapists should be allowed in women’s prisons and that rape threats are accountability."

Whole load of nonsense vs documented links of "GC" people and organisations with very clear links to far right groups. So you can't show where any "TRAs" or trans groups are working with far right groups, or you'd link them and not a stream of strawTRAs as whataboutism to distract. Don't you ever stop to wonder why they're not working with groups that want to dismantle women's hard won rights? Destroy women's bodily autonomy, push them back into the kitchen and forceably married to men. As the video says at the end, bit weird, which side is "destroying women's rights" again?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 13:42

A number of special interest groups are destroying women's rights, unfortunately it appears to be a cross-party thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 13:44

So oolon, as you are now aligned to Angela Wild, I guess you might start wearing her badges and t shirts?

RealFeminist · 19/10/2022 13:45

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 12:49

Have to say I am bothered by the links some people in the movement have to the religious right in America. I think it would be awful to align too closely with them and forget we're fighting them over abortion rights.

OOR ABORTION RIGHTS ARE SAFE WITH THE SNP WHO ARE ALLOWING THE GREENS TAE CAMPAIGN FOR BUFFER ZONES. WE CANNAE DAE IT OORSELS BECAUSE SOME O OOR CHRISITAN MPS DINNAE LIKE ABORTION

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 13:46

People who believe in biology and want to protect children from gender ideology are not in a 'movement'. There is no Gender Critical collective with a manifesto. We don't all sign up to one particular campaign or join one Gender Critical political party. We have no leaders. We are individuals with one shared belief. That's it.

So if some 'GC' people allow someone from^ The far right to speak to them, or film them that doesn't tarnish everything. We can't be collectively responsible for what some people - who share that one single belief - do.^

I am not about to go around condemning people who I have nothing to do with except agree on one issue.

Exactly. It's very tiresome.

Toffd · 19/10/2022 13:47

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TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 13:51

TRAs align with:

-people who shout abuse at babies

-people who collect piss in bottles and pour it all over themselves in the streets

-people who think it’s appropriate to teach schoolchildren while dressed as a hentai fetish

-people who work for children’s charities, openly admit their sexual attraction to children and would like such sexual attraction to be destigmatised.

-Children’s charities which employ such people despite them keeping none of the above in any way secret.

And that’s just the last two months worth of scandals. TRAs are also, this month and every month, “aligned with” or simply are people who are unconcerned about women being raped in prison, people who don’t give a fuck about children being sterilised and left without sexual function as adults, people who send women rape and death threats, and people who think homosexuality is morally wrong and bigoted. They can fuck off with this “aligned with” bullshit. Get your own house in order— might be interesting to see who’s left once you’ve cleared out all the dodgy types.

TheKeatingFive · 19/10/2022 13:55

Who is JKR taking money from?

lifeissweet · 19/10/2022 13:55

TheKeatingFive · 19/10/2022 13:55

Who is JKR taking money from?

She's short of a few bob, after all.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 13:57

ool0n · 19/10/2022 13:40

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn - "Anyway, I think it’s disgusting that (by the TRA Alignment Principle) oolon thinks that lesbians are sexual racists, that child safeguarding is a transphobic dogwhistle, that male penis having rapists should be allowed in women’s prisons and that rape threats are accountability."

Whole load of nonsense vs documented links of "GC" people and organisations with very clear links to far right groups. So you can't show where any "TRAs" or trans groups are working with far right groups, or you'd link them and not a stream of strawTRAs as whataboutism to distract. Don't you ever stop to wonder why they're not working with groups that want to dismantle women's hard won rights? Destroy women's bodily autonomy, push them back into the kitchen and forceably married to men. As the video says at the end, bit weird, which side is "destroying women's rights" again?

Try to keep up.I didn’t in fact mention the far right, there are many other kinds of bad people in the world and a lot of them are drawn to the bullying, grifting and exploitation opportunities offered by the trans movement. But since you mention connections between the far right and TRAs, have a read of this.

www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/q5ceg1/nazi_phase/

hasn’t you better get on with your disavowing? I’ve already given you lots of examples of all the bad things you’re aligned with! You could end up disavowing for days.

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 14:00

Shaun gave money to a children’s charity that is being investigated for safeguarding violations, AFTER those violations were identified by Feminists and amplified by Glinner.

I bet we could make a way worse video about Shaun’s Breadtube friends.

JK Rowling's New Friends
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LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 14:01

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 13:57

Try to keep up.I didn’t in fact mention the far right, there are many other kinds of bad people in the world and a lot of them are drawn to the bullying, grifting and exploitation opportunities offered by the trans movement. But since you mention connections between the far right and TRAs, have a read of this.

www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/q5ceg1/nazi_phase/

hasn’t you better get on with your disavowing? I’ve already given you lots of examples of all the bad things you’re aligned with! You could end up disavowing for days.

That comic looks to me like one trans person having a problem with trans people having far right histories. If they are able to have that conversation without being shouted down, maybe we are able to do that too?

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 14:04

You appear to have missed the point! Did you read the comments? They talk about the “Nazi to trans pipeline.” I’ve never heard of a Nazi to GC pipeline, have you?

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 14:04

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 14:01

That comic looks to me like one trans person having a problem with trans people having far right histories. If they are able to have that conversation without being shouted down, maybe we are able to do that too?

There are many, many threads on this.

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 14:09

It's made me think of Lorna Slater of the Scottish Greens who made the claim that Scottish feminist groups are being funded by the 'far right'.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20059603.lorna-slater-criticised-comparing-gra-critics-racists/

An FOI showed her claim was a pile of pish, mind you -

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

She made claims with no substance but there's been no retraction or apology so these lies are just being repeated as truth.

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 14:12

Shaun really needs to get his own house in order - he seems to have some very dodgy friends.

Is this you, Oolon?

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/cruelty-as-a-hobby

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 14:17

Any chance of any receipts on "taking money from" these far right groups? I want to put in a claim.

Anactor · 19/10/2022 14:21

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 12:49

Have to say I am bothered by the links some people in the movement have to the religious right in America. I think it would be awful to align too closely with them and forget we're fighting them over abortion rights.

What religious right would that be? Because if you’re anti anyone who disapproves of abortions you’re looking at at least two major world religions.

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 14:23

Anactor · 19/10/2022 14:21

What religious right would that be? Because if you’re anti anyone who disapproves of abortions you’re looking at at least two major world religions.

It's hardly controversial for a feminist to be against those who oppose abortion, I consider it a foundational feminist view.

Toffd · 19/10/2022 14:24

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Anactor · 19/10/2022 14:33

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 14:23

It's hardly controversial for a feminist to be against those who oppose abortion, I consider it a foundational feminist view.

Better check your links to any organisations involving Hindus, Roman Catholics, or Mormons, then. They won’t meet your purity test.

LakeFishes · 19/10/2022 14:41

Anactor · 19/10/2022 14:33

Better check your links to any organisations involving Hindus, Roman Catholics, or Mormons, then. They won’t meet your purity test.

I don't really understand what you're saying. I won't work with anti-abortion organisations on feminist issues or invite them to feminist events. I wish we all held to such lofty standards, looking slyly at PP!

NotLactoseFree · 19/10/2022 14:45

Some bollocks re a "sending hugs x" message to Caroline Farrow who is a Catholic and is opposed to abortion and gay marriage. Which obv JK is totes on board with as she hasn't apologised/ condemned CF/ self flagilated

It's so ridiculous. I know a family who are fundamental christians. I disagree with them on pretty much everything. When their 16 year old was raped, I was completely and totally sympathetic.

Caroline was arrested for supposedly posting threatening posts. Threatening posts!? <hollow laugh>

And she can prove she wasn't doing it as she was church at the time.

I can be sympathetic to someone who is being arrested and harassed when a) she's innocent and b) the harassment does not fit the crime even if she's someone I don't agree with on many other things.

JustStopOilyPoshKids · 19/10/2022 14:46

"a stream of strawTRAs as whataboutism"
yet this video of 'receipts' does just this by linking other GC people/ orgs to far right Christian fascists etc and then laying it at the feet of JK Rowling. If this is a bollocks argument/ straw man whataboutery stop defending videos of such content.

Is also presumptive to equate having GC views with not giving a shit about any other feminist concerns. I can simultaneously care about and campaign for a whole host of issues.

Incedently, James Billingham really looks like he could be the hate child of Jess Phillips and Mani

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