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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another friendship bites the dust

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SapphosRock · 09/10/2022 11:24

Apparently it has come to some friends' attention that I have radical views and they want nothing more to do with me. I'm now blocked.

This the second time this has happened with people I was close to.

Trying not to mind, but I do mind. We had lots of fun things planned and I'm mourning the loss of the friendships.

What have other people done in this situation?

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Femm · 11/10/2022 08:28

pattihews · 10/10/2022 10:30

Femm, that is so sad. I hope that someone will be able to show her how badly wrong she's got this. My sister has disowned me for being GC, but she has always been difficult to be around, very black and white and righteous in her far-left of Labour way. So in some ways the radio silence is a relief. But a mum is different.

It is sad as we used to be able to talk about anything even if we disagreed.

To be fair to her, my brother is a rabid TRA who calls himself non-binary to buy in to the oppression he is denied as a middle aged white, university educated man. He has fragile mental health so she may feel she has to support him. She knows I can look after myself…

We’ve just agreed to disagree on this but I’m still shocked she could actually believe that TWAactualW, especially given what she and I have endured due to our sex.

anonbelle · 16/10/2022 02:03

Everyone is entitled to their opinion & nobody is entitled to be your friend if they disagree with your views.

SimpleName83 · 16/10/2022 02:09

Going from experience: get yourselves away from noxious family or friends who put you down. You don't owe them anything. Get yourself away from toxic people,

SimpleName83 · 16/10/2022 02:15

Unless .... .is this person willing to discuss?

We women have biology and actual reality on our side. Humans cannot change sex. Are they able to discuss this?

Delphinium20 · 16/10/2022 06:18

Sappho, I'm really sorry. I am. It's rather juvenile on their behalf, back in the day when kids would say, "Don't talk to Janice. She's got cooties." I hope for you to find more mature friends who can handle disagreements.

That being said...Despite believing I am of the age to have mostly mature and reasonable friends, I am worried about my two closest...both have children who identify as some kind of gender identity (it's ever-changing, so not sure what I'd even call them). But I don't know for sure their views, which is absurd as they are my closest friends and I could tell you everything else about them! Are we all dancing around the topic? Do they secretly think I'm a terf but are afraid to ask? One friend did keep insisting that transgirls were really girls, but she was a bit drunk at the time. When they talk about trans kids being the most vulnerable ever, I can understand why they say that. From their perspective, their kids are really struggling and they are frightened. But we are also quite grounded in feminism, being middle-aged. Abortion topics do override trans topics because of where we live, but I'm still frightened I'll say the wrong thing and they will feel attacked. Few people would choose their friends over their children, but they both know how much I love their kids, so I believe they could hold my friendship and assume I have their kids' best interest in mind.

One child is young enough where she is at risk of being put on puberty blockers. This is my line in the sand where I will broach the topic if my friend tells me they are considering it. I have been practicing over and over how to share why I think that's a bad idea without overstepping. But how could I not at least try? I could never live with myself if this child is harmed and I stood by and never tried to at minimum express doubts.

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