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Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 01/10/2022 11:25

Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

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Wonnle · 01/10/2022 15:09

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A bit like Dick Emery then

LifeIsaRollerCoaster1 · 01/10/2022 15:10

InsertPunHere · 01/10/2022 15:03

The solution is obvious - mixed sex and women (female only )toilets. Transmen, transwomen and other men can all use the facilities with the urinals and some cubicles, we can have the siongle sex spaces we have a right to (and deserve).

Men might not want women in their spaces because of the potential for women to accuse them of allsorts. No one should have to be lumbered with the misfits in their space, make them a new area just for them!

mamabear715 · 01/10/2022 15:10

I live in Sheffield.. :-(
Thankfully not Central. A Labour cardboard box could win there.

Zonder · 01/10/2022 15:13

Wonnle · 01/10/2022 15:09

A bit like Dick Emery then

Yes! I knew he reminded me of someone!

Novum · 01/10/2022 15:13

FOJN · 01/10/2022 13:25

Eddie Izzard is transgender. She uses female pronouns, and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door!

Your inclusivity is heart warming. I presume you would have no problem telling the 10 year old girl in this news report, who probably has a different opinion about inclusivity, that she should be kind and try not to be a bigot.

This offender also assaulted another young girl in a public toilet.

metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

Sadly this is just one example of many and not an isolated incident.

Are you accusing him of being someone who would commit sexual assault? Do you have any evidence for that?

Farmageddon · 01/10/2022 15:14

Trollcity · 01/10/2022 14:57

@Farmageddon

did read your post thanks.

My point in response is that this is not our problem to solve. Worrying about them being 'open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter' is again not women's problem. We also have to deal with that stuff, which is why we have women's spaces in the first place.

Again, did I say it was our problem to solve? I was asking people's opinions on what they think the solution would be, not asking all women to go out and implement it, did I? Tell me where I said that?

It's call a conversation, a fair and open exchange of opinions and views. Lower your anger levels and try take part in a reasonable conversation or butt out

I wasn't angry, I don't know where you keep getting that from.
What several people have brought up in response to your post though is why are we the ones to come up with solutions? We haven't changed the parameters, Eddie and his ilk have. So it's up to them to come up with solutions that don't infringe on our right to single sex spaces.

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:15

ClaudiusTheGod · 01/10/2022 14:34

@Chooksnroses
which part of the anatomy that he uses to pee with is transgender??

Does it matter, as long as it's in private, in a locked cubicle?

Floisme · 01/10/2022 15:15

If Eddie felt unsafe using the male toilets that evening then my solution would have been for the good men of Sheffield Labour - I am sure there are many - to stand guard while Eddie used them. What a missed opportunity both for Eddie to show sensitivity to females and for the Labour Party to send a clear message that violence towards gender non conforming men will not be tolerated.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 01/10/2022 15:16

I've always thought the 'third space' solution was the best but having read the posts on here I'm beginning to think having mixed and women's only is by far the best. This is why having a debate is so vital.
On the subject of Izzard, I went right off him when he complained about the 13 year old girls challenging him about using the women's toilets. Of course we must put his feelings above scared teenager girls, what a prat! I so hope the local Labour party don't make him their candidate.

Johnnysgirl · 01/10/2022 15:16

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:15

Does it matter, as long as it's in private, in a locked cubicle?

Yes, it matters. It matters a lot.

BloodAndFire · 01/10/2022 15:17

Novum · 01/10/2022 15:13

Are you accusing him of being someone who would commit sexual assault? Do you have any evidence for that?

You don't understand safeguarding, statistics or criminology. At all.

You also prioritise male feelings over female safety.

Grim

BloodAndFire · 01/10/2022 15:17

Novum · 01/10/2022 15:13

Are you accusing him of being someone who would commit sexual assault? Do you have any evidence for that?

Hang on. What do you mean 'are you accusing him'?

Who are you referring to? 🤔

Trollcity · 01/10/2022 15:17

@bellac11

Well the extra toilet thing if I read your post correctly, theres only two sexes, so only two needed. I brought it up as a suggestion and to see what peoples views were on what they think could be a solution. I understand they're are only 2 sexes but obviously there is an ever-growing section of the population who are going to need to pee somewhere or am I totally unreasonable yo suggest that?

And that somehow as others have said the implication that we have to amend or compromise to make men safe which makes us unsafe
Where did I say I was expecting women to compromise? I specifically said I don't agree with using female-only places and I wasn't asking for women to solve the problem, merely asking people's opinions. People have obviously decided to consciously misread my post so they can shout out about what good and dedicates feminists they are

ChristinaXYZ · 01/10/2022 15:18

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 13:14

Eddie Izzard is transgender. She uses female pronouns, and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door!

Do you have no issue with it for the sake of other women who do object to sharing there spaces. Does that make it ok for everyone if ok for you?

You must know that many women do object. Women have lost their jobs for less than objecting over this sort of thing. Why are you vocalising your opinion in such a way as you have on here when it suggests you are ok with giving away other women's rights? I know you did not say that directly but to post what you have with no sympathy for the other point of view, just an 'I'm alright Jack' tone, is just virtue signally at its thoughtless worst - and it basically says get stuffed women I'm supporting the fellas here.

I'd put money on most women in the country seeing nothing virtuous in your view, nothing at all. If you want to appear virtuous at least attempt to see both sides or pipe down.

TheClogLady · 01/10/2022 15:19

Novum · 01/10/2022 15:13

Are you accusing him of being someone who would commit sexual assault? Do you have any evidence for that?

statistically Izzard is just as likely to be sex offender as any other male (perhaps slightly higher when you consider that transvestic cross dressing is considered a type of paraphilia in the DSM, Izzard has self described as an ‘action transvestite’ in the past and paraphilias tend to come in clusters).

but I suspect FOJN only intended to highlight the male part.

would you like me to dig out the links?

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:21

Tralalalalalalalalalala · 01/10/2022 14:52

Bully for you. You don't speak for me and my rights are not your rights to give away.

Eddie Izzard is a transvestite, not transgender.

Eddie Izzard identifies as transgender. I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

Deliriumoftheendless · 01/10/2022 15:21

I agree Izzard is unlikely to assault anyone (although there are other reasons to keep men out) but neither is Izzard at any greater risk now, “in girl mode” than back in the 90s when they were a man in skirt or heels.

And presumably if acting in a Hollywood blockbuster in “boy mode” Eddie would be ok with using male facilities? So at what point do we go from no risk to high risk?

FOJN · 01/10/2022 15:23

Are you accusing him of being someone who would commit sexual assault? Do you have any evidence for that?

...and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there.

Any other TW is the key part, any man can claim to be a TW, how would you prove it?

Nice try.

BloodAndFire · 01/10/2022 15:23

Deliriumoftheendless · 01/10/2022 15:21

I agree Izzard is unlikely to assault anyone (although there are other reasons to keep men out) but neither is Izzard at any greater risk now, “in girl mode” than back in the 90s when they were a man in skirt or heels.

And presumably if acting in a Hollywood blockbuster in “boy mode” Eddie would be ok with using male facilities? So at what point do we go from no risk to high risk?

We don't need to be able to assess the likely risk of any individual male. It's impossible. That's why we have blanket rules for single sex spaces.

Or we had them 😔

ChateauMargaux · 01/10/2022 15:23

Another shitty fucking reason to scream and cry at how awful it is to be a woman at the moment.

Trollcity · 01/10/2022 15:24

@Farmageddon What several people have brought up in response to your post though is why are we the ones to come up with solutions? We haven't changed the parameters, Eddie and his ilk have. So it's up to them to come up with solutions that don't infringe on our right to single sex spaces.

One final time for those who can't/won't read - where disd I say it was a female problem to solve? Please, copy and paste any of my posts where I specifically said this. It was a rhetorical question, you know, joining in a conversation, kicking ideas about, a mature, adult and reasonable discussion - did I ask you or any woman to go out and to implement whatever ideas that might emerge??? Nope

BloodAndFire · 01/10/2022 15:24

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:21

Eddie Izzard identifies as transgender. I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

Wanting single sex spaces for women and girls is not 'hatred'.

Johnnysgirl · 01/10/2022 15:26

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:21

Eddie Izzard identifies as transgender. I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

Are you encouraging of your grandchild using facilities designated to the opposite sex?
If so, shame on you.

lovelyweathertoday · 01/10/2022 15:26

Chooksnroses
Eddie Izzard is transgender. She uses female pronouns, and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door!

Why is Eddie's gender identity relevant to which sex's toilet provision she uses? We don't pee with our gender 😂

Trans people are literally proof that sex and gender are different things. The weird coincidence that trans identifying people chose the names of the sexes to label their feelings of inner gender does not mean they actually are the opposite sex!

this! We all know Izzard is a man, he can use the men's loos!

lemmein · 01/10/2022 15:27

In plain sight that one.

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