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Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 01/10/2022 11:25

Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 01/10/2022 15:28

Hi everyone - can we ask that you stick to our Talk guidelines, please? We certainly don't think any parliamentary candidate is above scrutiny but speculation and personal insults don't help any of us. Thank you.

OldManEmu · 01/10/2022 15:29

As someone who was sexually assaulted in a public toilet at the age of 14, I find this horrifying. The man who did what he did to me, walked into the female toilets, forced me into a cubicle, locked the door and made me do things that have scarred me for life. But, he was caught. Thankfully, there was CCTV around the entrance of the toilets that was used as sole evidence of his crime (after my witness statement). There is no CCTV inside the toilets, for obvious reasons, so having video evidence of a man walking into the female toilets, then my account of what happened was basically the whole case.
In this day and age though, who would be believed in that situation? All the man would have to say is 'I walked in there because I identify as a woman and that teenager is committing a hate crime by saying these things about me'. With the extremely low prosecution rates of sex offenders, this is only going to make that worse. It gives men who want to do these things a free ticket into the world they've always wanted to be in.

My attacker ended up doing jail time and being put on the sex offenders register. He had social services involved incase he ever had contact with children. So, more victims thankfully didn't have to go through what I went through. Not going to be that easy now though, is it?

LizzieSiddal · 01/10/2022 15:29

which part of the anatomy that he uses to pee with is transgender??

His penis, which I saw quite clearly as he walked towards me a couple of months ago. He was wearing skin tight leatherette leggings and I could see everything as he wobbled towards me in his six inch high stilettos. I do NOT want to share any female only space with him.

ReneBumsWombats · 01/10/2022 15:29

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:21

Eddie Izzard identifies as transgender. I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

The only hatred is denying the existence of women as a sex class, and subjecting them to erasure and danger as you force your beliefs upon them.

What's your answer to Muslim and Jewish women, or traumatised women, who can't tolerate mixed sex spaces? Why is a mixed sex space not enough for your grandchild? Why must it be women's spaces and nothing else?

Fairyliz · 01/10/2022 15:32

MrsDoyle351 · 01/10/2022 14:20

Meh - so what.

I could not give one shit which toilet Eddie Izzard uses.

Not sure if you’re living in a bubble, but there are many more pressing matters than that.

@MrsDoyle351
And some of us can’t have a shit because the toilets are full of men

Deliriumoftheendless · 01/10/2022 15:32

BloodAndFire · 01/10/2022 15:23

We don't need to be able to assess the likely risk of any individual male. It's impossible. That's why we have blanket rules for single sex spaces.

Or we had them 😔

I think I phrased that badly- I’m referring to people saying EI as a transwoman is potentially in danger in male facilities.

if EI wasn’t before and isn’t whilst in “boy mode” when do they become vulnerable?

but it’s rhetorical anyway, because the answer is “never”.

ReneBumsWombats · 01/10/2022 15:33

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:15

Does it matter, as long as it's in private, in a locked cubicle?

It's not, though. There's usually a mixed sex space for handwashing and mirror checking. And once we've denied that women need sex segregated spaces, it's open season in communal changing rooms, sports, women's awards and so on.

If a locked cubicle is all that matters, why can't your grandchild use the correct one for their sex, or one in a designated mixed sex space? If they literally just want to pee in peace, why does it have to be in a women's space? If it's about weeing and nothing to do with proving a point or staking a claim?

Why do the women not matter?

ReneBumsWombats · 01/10/2022 15:34

Mixed sex space, I meant an open space.

Musomama1 · 01/10/2022 15:35

@Novum Primark has just announced it will reinstate women only changing rooms because some men have abused women in them.

Eddie Izzard may not cause physical harm to women but he opens the door to any male using female open spaces and potentially abusing them.

What's more important, an individual man's feelings, or boundaries for women and girls?

Eddie has also told us anecdotally that young girls were made uncomfortable by his presence in a toilet. I'd rather be with those young girls thank you very much than Eddie.

zen1 · 01/10/2022 15:36

Didn’t Izzard have a penchant for using Ladies loos even back in the day when he acknowledged he was a man in a dress? His relaying of the story of being intimidated by three teenage girls who challenged him when he first decided to enter women’s toilets wearing a dress springs to mind.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 01/10/2022 15:37

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 13:14

Eddie Izzard is transgender. She uses female pronouns, and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door!

Bully for you.

I've been a rape victim and am very likely to experience an involuntary trauma response should I find myself sharing an enclosed, sequestered space in which my sex makes me vulnerable, alongside natal males.

I don't get a say in this. Whether they're wearing a dress or not, my unconscious mind KNOWS they have a dick, will clock as much no matter how much I try to train my conscious responses that 2 + 2 = 5, and my body will respond accordingly.

You don't get a veto on women's rights on behalf of others. Women: religious ones, sexual abuse victims, or even those who damned well don't want to cede over their spaces to men for whatever reason seems good to them, also have a right to participate in public life.

Handsoffmyrights · 01/10/2022 15:38

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 01/10/2022 14:58

This is one piece of logic I’ve never understood.

if transwomen aren’t comfortable using the male toilets because of male violence why should women allow males into their toilets?

if transwomen want to use female toilets because it validates their self identity, who decided this was more important that women want?

Men decide. They take what they want, including womanhood. They don't take no for an answer.

fluffinsalad · 01/10/2022 15:39

oh for god sake this is ridiculous. Every one knows he is a male. Just because he has took a flight of fancy and wants to live a women doesnt mean he is and doesnt mean he should have access to facilities women use.

Funny how he didnt mind being a man when he was getting paid to star as one in films....

This whole situation is insane and if you are willing to play along with it then you're not a full shilling yourself

LizzieSiddal · 01/10/2022 15:42

zen1 · Today 15:36
Didn’t Izzard have a penchant for using Ladies loos even back in the day when he acknowledged he was a man in a dress? His relaying of the story of being intimidated by three teenage girls who challenged him when he first decided to enter women’s toilets wearing a dress springs to mind

Yes he thought the three teenage girls were being nasty to him. Just shows his complete lack of understanding about being a woman and how we often fear for our safety.

334bu · 01/10/2022 15:44

Do we know who the person was who took photos of people using the loos?

Love sly implication here. Darvo at its most subtle

FOJN · 01/10/2022 15:44

I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild. I hope she never has to experience the hatred shown on here.

Ah "the I'm close to someone who trans" argument as justification for giving away other people's rights.

Lots of us know trans people, some of us have even had relationships with trans people. It's a shame you think women's rights are hateful.

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:46

ChristinaXYZ · 01/10/2022 15:18

Do you have no issue with it for the sake of other women who do object to sharing there spaces. Does that make it ok for everyone if ok for you?

You must know that many women do object. Women have lost their jobs for less than objecting over this sort of thing. Why are you vocalising your opinion in such a way as you have on here when it suggests you are ok with giving away other women's rights? I know you did not say that directly but to post what you have with no sympathy for the other point of view, just an 'I'm alright Jack' tone, is just virtue signally at its thoughtless worst - and it basically says get stuffed women I'm supporting the fellas here.

I'd put money on most women in the country seeing nothing virtuous in your view, nothing at all. If you want to appear virtuous at least attempt to see both sides or pipe down.

It has nothing to do with appearing virtuous. I do understand that my views may be different to those of a lot of people. I have lived through a lot of changes in my life. I was 18 when homosexuality was decriminalised in the UK. Then, we could never have envisaged a time when people would openly declare that they were transvestite, let alone transgender. These things have always been there, just hidden.
The arguments about men using women's facilities to assault girls and women are spurious. The people perpetrating these hideous assaults are criminals. Nothing to do with being male or female.
Vanessa George abused children in her care in a nursery, so did Jayden McCarthy. We don't stop putting our trust in nurseries because of these two evil bastards. We show our common sense and realise that they are criminals, and in the minority. Being transgender does not preclude you from being a sexual abuser, but neither does it make you one.

lemmein · 01/10/2022 15:46

Eddie Izzard is transgender. She uses female pronouns, and I would have no problem using the loo whilst she or any other transgender woman was in there. I usually lock the cubicle door

If these magic locks on toilet doors prevent sexual assault and intimidation why can't TW just use the locks in the male toilets? 🤔

Jackiebrambles · 01/10/2022 15:46

OldManEmu · 01/10/2022 15:29

As someone who was sexually assaulted in a public toilet at the age of 14, I find this horrifying. The man who did what he did to me, walked into the female toilets, forced me into a cubicle, locked the door and made me do things that have scarred me for life. But, he was caught. Thankfully, there was CCTV around the entrance of the toilets that was used as sole evidence of his crime (after my witness statement). There is no CCTV inside the toilets, for obvious reasons, so having video evidence of a man walking into the female toilets, then my account of what happened was basically the whole case.
In this day and age though, who would be believed in that situation? All the man would have to say is 'I walked in there because I identify as a woman and that teenager is committing a hate crime by saying these things about me'. With the extremely low prosecution rates of sex offenders, this is only going to make that worse. It gives men who want to do these things a free ticket into the world they've always wanted to be in.

My attacker ended up doing jail time and being put on the sex offenders register. He had social services involved incase he ever had contact with children. So, more victims thankfully didn't have to go through what I went through. Not going to be that easy now though, is it?

I'm so sorry for what happened to you Flowers

Izzard is a man, and he's a disgrace going into the ladies toilets.

badbaduncle · 01/10/2022 15:47

labour think they already have a mandate and are starting to properly take the piss now. 😡

AutumnCrow · 01/10/2022 15:50

I admit I have an axe to grind here. I have a transgender Grandchild.

You don't have to 'admit' anything. I mean, it's pretty mainstream now for family members to say that, whatever it means. It'll be the new 'boring' soon.

ReneBumsWombats · 01/10/2022 15:51

Chooksnroses · 01/10/2022 15:46

It has nothing to do with appearing virtuous. I do understand that my views may be different to those of a lot of people. I have lived through a lot of changes in my life. I was 18 when homosexuality was decriminalised in the UK. Then, we could never have envisaged a time when people would openly declare that they were transvestite, let alone transgender. These things have always been there, just hidden.
The arguments about men using women's facilities to assault girls and women are spurious. The people perpetrating these hideous assaults are criminals. Nothing to do with being male or female.
Vanessa George abused children in her care in a nursery, so did Jayden McCarthy. We don't stop putting our trust in nurseries because of these two evil bastards. We show our common sense and realise that they are criminals, and in the minority. Being transgender does not preclude you from being a sexual abuser, but neither does it make you one.

It isn't about being trans, it's about ceding women's spaces to male people and therefore exposing them to predators. And rendering many women unable to use any facilities at all.

I repeat: why are designated mixed sex spaces, in addition to segregated ones, not enough?

334bu · 01/10/2022 15:51

The people perpetrating these hideous assaults are criminals. Nothing to do with being male or female.

Unfortunately crime statistics beg to differ
99% of all convicted sex offenders are male.

Cheekymaw · 01/10/2022 15:52

He's a very privileged white male rubbing it in women's faces. (I'm sure I will get banned for that) How fucking refreshing Labour - not !
Poor Sheffield. And if Posie stands what's her other views ? How does she stand on the war in Ukraine, fracking , the cost of living , the NHS , climate crisis, the Welfare State??
She's not exactly going to be fantastic for the Muslim population of Sheffield , given her rather "blunt" views ?
As I said , poor fucking Sheffield.
Lots of poor areas around Sheffield who need a decent MP . Fucking help them.

lemmein · 01/10/2022 15:52

Being transgender does not preclude you from being a sexual abuser, but neither does it make you one.

Total red-herring - it's not being 'trans' people have a problem with, it's being male. Can you explain why we have single sex spaces and why you would like that to change?

Naming 2 female sexual offenders does not negate the fact that men are much more likely to commit sexual offences - why are you pretending otherwise?

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