Primark to reinstate women and girls only changing rooms

[Handyweatherstation]

They may be starting to get the message.

corporate.primark.com/en/newsroom/corporate-news/important-changes-to-our-fitting-rooms-in-the-uk/n/98cec44a-542f-40b9-8a88-618831aeddc0

Yes this is good. I can't believe they were stupid enough to do in the first place with curtains.

I wonder how many women will actually use the changing rooms anyone can use when there's the women only option.

None of it has made any sense to me. In mine there's loads of changing rooms but they don't use half now and direct you to one area. Ie there was nothing stopping them carrying on separating the men and women's. Presumably they must put a load of crap in the other changing rooms now!

But what does that mean for a man who says he is 'comfortable' changing in the women's changing room ? Will his comfort trump any woman's ?

They need to grow some ovaries and just stop all this 'be kind and inclusive' crap.

We knew that females would have to suffer before common sense came back.

Were I Paul Marchant I’d not be thrilled that your one who self-IDs as a suffragette is taking it upon themselves to announce the meanings of his company’s policies. And I’d be wanting to know who said “friend” was & what they thought they were playing at.

Of course, it might be that IW has an imaginary friend who has a Very Very Important Job at Primark who told IW that of course it’s just about keeping icky cis men out. One cannot, after all, expect imaginary people to understand the law means that Primark is completely entitled to exclude trans women from their women’s changing rooms. Proportionate means to a legitimate aim? Tick and tick.

It’s entirely possible Willoughby is correct about what Primark intends. Because they don’t want to deal with aggressive males (regardless of how they choose to identify) targeting their business. That’s what this is about - gold stars from orgs like Stonewall; & protecting their bottom line.

Undressed women always available for the validation of born males in this brave new world.
Boundaries, respect and the right to say no do not apply to women - only men.

They're not being reinstated though are they? They will continue to have unisex, whilst offering a dedicated women's changing area. Is the dedicated area a single changing room?

I think this is the only way to go but already there's a backlash that men no longer have spaces to themselves - men, be kind and inclusive.

If there's a backlash that men no longer have spaces to themselves then men are going to have to do what women have done, and raise awareness and campaign for it. It's not the job of women to make sure men have everything they need before taking care of their own needs. Frankly at the moment, women are a bit busy.

Fwiw, I wholly sympathise.

Women want dedicated, sex based spaces used only by those of the female sex. If men want dedicated sex based spaces used only by those of the male sex, then I wholly understand and sympathise. There will then need to be additional spaces for those bothered about biological essentialism and stretching the bandwidth of sex who do not want to use their sex based space, who have changed their appearance to the point it would cause confusion in a sex based space, and who want all that freedom of expression. Great, those should be provided if wanted, and those people can campaign for them. There's a lot of very well paid charities involved and the civil service all with rainbow badges, they should have an easier time than men and women wanting single sex provision.

What they cannot do is deprive others of their sex based spaces for their own personal satisfaction of having removed them from others. While wittering about their personal extremist beliefs and how this somehow justifies removing need provision from others and requiring everyone to revolve around them. No thank you.

Where one goes, others will follow...

Seems relevant

Surely the only way to distinguish between transwomen and men is if you think Primark should use "passing privilege" as their criteria for determining who is and isn't trans. I understand that's very transphobic.

Carry on disregarding women, most misogynists do.

Because the obvious horror of T people having to pause to consider and show equality of consideration for females.

Or anyone actually listening to the fact that there is no difference to many females between any male of any gender description and they have the exact same impact .

Sorry, but this is a fact and T people are not more important than female people. Hence women fighting to be heard on this and wanting the situation to change. Willoughby et al may be fighting for the mess for females to just rumble on a bit longer, but look at the facts: this is not going away. Females are not just getting used to it. The impact and evidence of impact on females is stacking up.

This is eventually going to hit the point of no longer throwing yet another band aid over and the TQ+ political lobby need to face this. This is not going to just settle down, go away and be all their way without females minding.

Translation: if you are happy for men who use transwomen as a human shield to abuse women carry on because the dignity of women is less important than marking women's toilets with our scent.

The twitter video that that young girl posted has made an impact.

Middle aged women complaining about m&s might not have such an impact. I include myself in this, sadly that's the way things work isn't it?

Sorry relatively new to all this, appreciate it’s probably a stupid question… can someone legally be a “woman” without biologically be a woman?

It's a bit complicated, tbh. If born male, you can apply for and obtain a 'GRC' that means you can change the sex as recorded on birth cert, driver's licence, etc. But this doesn't make you legally exactly teh same as a woman, as you can still be excluded from single sex spaces, even with a GRC.

Is the theory, anyway.

Not a stupid question at all.
You can be legally recognised as a woman by means of a gender recognition certificate having been born, and remaining, biologically male.

Until the question "what is a woman" is actually answered using definite terms, then any assurances given by companies and service providers will only be paying lip service to those concerned about their safe spaces.

ANY company can pledge that their spaces are "women only" but if "women" includes "men" as a subset (when they are on board with TWAW), it literally means NOTHING.

Until "woman" can be clarified in LAW, our spaces cannot be protected, and they cannot be our own, and they cannot be safe.

Anything less is pointless words meant to placate angry and concerned women, but it is meaningless until we have clarity in what a woman actually IS, and therefore, whom it excludes.

Also.

The "trans" umbrella encompasses ANYONE who says they are trans. So, NO effort is needed to "pass", literally none. ANY man can utter the three magic words "I am trans", and it opens the door into any female space and makes a total mockery of any attempt by these companies to protect women.

India Willhouby has bragged before on social media about going out of their way to find a "female" labelled toilet to use instead of a "gender neutral/mixed" one, JUST to make a point. This is the mind set we are dealing with here. Nothing less than total and complete acceptance that men can also be women is good enough.

I would love to see how Primark and other companies are going to "police" this policy. If anyone is a woman because they say they are, how is it going to be enforced?
They don't give a stuff about women. I can't believe anyone is happy about this statement, it literally means fuck all.

These Tweets are ten a penny on social media, but they illustrate how some men wish to harm women.

And because we don't know which men these are, when they're up close and personal with us, then a blanket rule must exist for single sex spaces.

That was also my immediate reaction.

Fuck, that's grim.

And that's one of the less explicit ones! Some of them would make Buffalo Bill look sane.

Women aren’t safe AT ALL!

Maybe a boycott of Primark is needed.