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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Primark to reinstate women and girls only changing rooms

246 replies

Handyweatherstation · 30/09/2022 17:18

They may be starting to get the message.

corporate.primark.com/en/newsroom/corporate-news/important-changes-to-our-fitting-rooms-in-the-uk/n/98cec44a-542f-40b9-8a88-618831aeddc0

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Redshoeblueshoe · 30/09/2022 23:26

I think for all the complaints we have all been making for years ,and being ignored - it was the very powerful video of the young woman crying that has made management at Primark go - Oh Fuck -we really have got this wrong.
I imagine their core market is teenage girls and young women and alienating them is stupid.

Now - how do we get other shops to follow ?
If I did a similar video I'd just be called 'Crazy Old Bint'

ImherewithBoudica · 30/09/2022 23:49

VroomVrooom · 30/09/2022 22:08

TRAs, being stone cold misogynists, categorically do not want gender neutral.

They want single sex - and free, unfettered access to that.

Identifying as a ‘woman’ will be all that is required. What with men always getting what they want.

Plus ça change……

That is where things have to shift.

It's not unlike the battle Sarah is having for accessible rape services.

It has to be made clear to society and decision makers: this agenda will not accept equality for female people, or permit there to be a female space respected so that all females have equality of access. Even if there is a fully accessible, TQ+ friendly provision available.

And that's flat out unreasonable, discriminatory and misogynist. That's indefensible and eventually when reasonable people get this message and see it, they will shift the window back from 'poor you, use whatever space you are comfortable in' to 'only a git would block females from having equal fair access because they want to for their own political reasons, even after all their own needs have been met'.

That's when it becomes apparent this is anti-women, and extremist, and about intolerance of other beliefs existing in public. That's when the public support will shift. The only possible ending of this is that third spaces are there and available and it is re established that male people cannot use the specific female spaces needed by females for equality, access and inclusion regardless of how they identify. That if your own accessible facilities are available, you cannot block and remove other people's for your own personal control and satisfaction, like the dog in the manger in Aesop's Fable.

I know it feels like bashing our heads repeatedly against a brick wall, but this is not reasonable, and bit by tiny bit people are realising it.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 30/09/2022 23:58

Redshoeblueshoe · 30/09/2022 23:26

I think for all the complaints we have all been making for years ,and being ignored - it was the very powerful video of the young woman crying that has made management at Primark go - Oh Fuck -we really have got this wrong.
I imagine their core market is teenage girls and young women and alienating them is stupid.

Now - how do we get other shops to follow ?
If I did a similar video I'd just be called 'Crazy Old Bint'

Yes.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

strugglingmum82 · 30/09/2022 23:59

Trans "women" can still use them. So men still win

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/10/2022 00:02

strugglingmum82 · 30/09/2022 23:59

Trans "women" can still use them. So men still win

Yes that's the problem. Until society can properly see that TW are not and can never be women, and should have no right of access to any female space - including these changing rooms - this is not a win. The TRA have just corrupted the meaning of woman and female such that primark can say this whilst still letting the betesticled into 'female' changing rooms. It's not enough.

SwordToFlamethrower · 01/10/2022 00:15

I wrote to H&M several years ago with serious concerns about mixed changing rooms. Flimsy curtains and the lack of safety. First of all, the staff I complained to laughed at me and made out I was nuts.

Second of all I wrote to head office and they all but called me a bigot.

I'm tempted to dig out my letter and their response and send it back to them demanding they act and apologise for the severe panic attack they caused me to have... and of course demand they revert back to single sex provision.

BrokenCopper · 01/10/2022 00:15

I wish they stop using curtains 😒

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 01/10/2022 00:51

To the very few trans people on this forum, the changes don't affect trans women, just cis men / women. Just cisgender men / women. Just use Primark changing rooms as you always have.

NyanBinaryJohn · 01/10/2022 01:04

Trans "friends" men are safe. Better luck next time, women.

We're so far past disappointing. Infuriating.

Primark to reinstate women and girls only changing rooms
TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 01:13

Not the most reliable source, but this suggests there's still a long way to go and nothing to celebrate yet, I'm afraid: twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1575927137361608705

Slothtoes · 01/10/2022 01:16

This is good. Not being an online shop they really needed to get it right for female, IRL customers. Hopefully other shops will follow suit.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 01:19

Oops, commented before reaching the end of the thread only to see that the point had been better made by NyanBinaryJohn. (I really must learn how to embed screenshots!)

bellac11 · 01/10/2022 01:22

Isnt this just semantics?

When they're faced with 'Mary', with 5 o clock shadow and a massive adams apple who walks into the womens changing rooms, what are they going to say?

BrrrGettingColder · 01/10/2022 01:24

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · Today 00:51

"To the very few trans people on this forum, the changes don't affect trans women, just cis men / women. Just cisgender men / women. Just use Primark changing rooms as you always have."

And there we have it. TRA tells men, go ahead, wreck women's spaces. Fuck how this affects women. Men's rights.

ImherewithBoudica · 01/10/2022 01:27

Yup. The absolute inabiity to give a shit about biological females is stark. And makes a total nonsense of claiming anyone changes sex or has any confusion whatsoever about which of the two sexes anyone is.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 01:30

The Primark Twitter thread certainly has quite the ratio - if they really are listening they might learn something!

BrrrGettingColder · 01/10/2022 01:31

It's a good progression, that Primark recognised the young woman's distress.

But until they explain how they define "woman" "women" "girl" "girls", and proceed to tell us how exactly they intend to protect us from men; then it is all rather meaningless. As a PP upthread pointed out to us

WalkthisWayUK · 01/10/2022 01:37

It’s a mess isn’t it. So much faffing and pandering to trans ideology has created such a big mess. Which results in women and girls suffering trauma essentially, whether it’s the poor girl on the video after having horrible experiences in Primark or traumatised older women in the swimming changing rooms having to be openly undressed with a man waltzing through.

And this change, whilst something, STILL isn’t getting it - biological men in biological womens single sex spaces, for whatever reason, is not OK!

BrrrGettingColder · 01/10/2022 01:53

Exactly, WalkthisWayUK

No men in spaces for women and girls.

Third spaces for anyone who chooses to use them, men or women.

The men who don't want to use men's spaces - they have two choices, men's or gender-neutral.

But no men in women's spaces. None.

WalkthisWayUK · 01/10/2022 02:00

Why didn’t they just put a sign on men’s changing rooms/prisons/hospitals/bathrooms saying it was ‘any identity’ and leave women’s spaces as biological women only?

Oh… it was ‘too threatening’ to be with men and trans women needed to be ‘affirmed’… 🙄

VroomVrooom · 01/10/2022 02:37

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 01/10/2022 00:51

To the very few trans people on this forum, the changes don't affect trans women, just cis men / women. Just cisgender men / women. Just use Primark changing rooms as you always have.

They’re not even trying to hide it now.

Fuck women, right? We don’t matter. All that matters is mens’ feelings.

As I say, the more things change, the more they stay exactly the same: Men on top. Women subordinated.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 01/10/2022 05:28

Practically none of the women in this board identify as ‘cisgender’ - it’s a repulsively sexist term that assumes a belief in gender ideology.

MoltenLasagne · 01/10/2022 07:57

Primark are literally stating that there will be women's and mixed changing rooms. Anyone can go in the mixed, yet instantly we have confirmation that transwomen will insist on using women's.

How clear a demonstration can you get that it was never about inclusion, it was about dominance.

JamSandle · 01/10/2022 07:59

This makes me so happy! We have to ensure others follow suite.

Live4weekend · 01/10/2022 08:25

JamSandle · 01/10/2022 07:59

This makes me so happy! We have to ensure others follow suite.

Why? Until there is a clarification of what they mean by women, then we are no safer.

If a man choses to use the womens changing room it's a massive red flag no matter how they present.

Many Trans Women (in all stages of transition, if even transitioning at all) will still use these changing rooms because they have zero respect for woman. The post on here and the screen shot from Twitter tell us exactly that.

If anything, decent men won't be there anymore so less protection.

The only thing that is safe is female only changing rooms.