Primark to reinstate women and girls only changing rooms

[Handyweatherstation]

They may be starting to get the message.

corporate.primark.com/en/newsroom/corporate-news/important-changes-to-our-fitting-rooms-in-the-uk/n/98cec44a-542f-40b9-8a88-618831aeddc0

Anyone playing bingo?
Hysterics
Stay at home
One bad apple
Women are just as bad

And this woman may be on the changing rooms in Primark and is supposed to be a gatekeeper!

Primark are cowards. They have created two changing rooms

1. Mixed sex including men who would never think to intrude on women and girls boundaries.
2. Mixed sex mostly women and those men (with the five magic words I identify as a woman) who like to intrude on women and girls boundaries however uncomfortable it makes us.

Do you think they will have signs big enough? I might make some and stick up in my local Primark if I'm able to leave my home.

There was a crazy Anthropology paper arguing that ancient skeletons shouldn't be identified as male or female because we can't know how the individual "identified". I probably saw it in one of Titania McGrath"s posts, which appear to be satire but are actually genuine.

Sounds like introductions are necessary:

Spectrum meet bell curve.
Bell curve meet spectrum.

Now both of you need to agree on what is "many" and what is "more straight up and down"...

You missed dropping your pants and nasty feminists.
Love it how they never fail to out themselves with their tired old tropes. Zero self control

So if you’re comfortable sharing spaces with males @Goodoldvera why don’t you use the mens changing rooms? I mean, you seem confident no harm will come to a woman in a mixed sex space so off you go.

😂

What an Aunt Lydia. Those women who are on the side of men. Who'll happily use a cattle prod on other women, because she serves men. Hates women who seek to protect women.

So clear that sex is obvious here, though.

No men in women's spaces. It's not difficult. No men in women's spaces. No matter how they "identify".

My daughters understand the difference between sex and gender even if Primark don't. They'll not be shopping there.

Most retailers bin returned items. Literally landfill. I dont know if primark do.
Point is if men want to (there is plenty of documented evidence now) they will "try" things on, wank into/onto those things then return them to the shop floor for women to find. It's always been a thing, but it is now so so much easier and you might be able to frighten a woman in the previously female only change rooms while your doing your special thing. Win win

So if you think women wearing then returning clothes is skanky, what do you think about wank stains?

We dont all have the money to buy lots to try on at home. We are not all willing to be the victim.
I've been desperate for new bras for some time now. But I will not use a shop that allows men into the previously women only space (all of them) and I dont want to take a black light shopping with me. I would potentially throw up a lot too if I did use a blacklight, I am beginning to realise this is not a new phenomenon, its just more heard of now.

Do you know, it would serve these retailers right to have women going over their clothes rails with a blacklight and their changing rooms with a hidden camera detector.

(A seemingly reputable camera publication says the best overall hidden camera detector is the K68, available at around £60. I am seriously tempted.)

How rare?
Tell me just how many women are needed to be attacked or worse before you will say enough?
I know my number of women who must be attacked and its zero.
But you apparently have a different number in mind so let's hear it.

@Moonatics parking here for @Goodoldvera response . I too would like to know what number of women being attacked is ok with Vera?

If enough women were to be with me on a blacklight sweep and some others checking the changing rooms for hidden cameras then I'll sign up for that. But on my own, frankly I'll just look like a slightly nutty middle aged woman. And alone we have no power, a group of us taking all the dodgy clothing to customer service and showing staff the very placement of cameras hidden in the changing rooms would have a greater impact.

Well it's been an hour, are we taking bets on when exactly @Goodoldvera is coming back to answer this?

What is a blacklight? Is it to detect semen stains? Just gross.

Umm yes, but not just semen although that's a popular pastime, they do worse. I'll leave it to you to figure out, but it's why I wont currently go shopping for a bra.

I was in New Look yesterday, getting changed in a cubicle, when I heard a man's voice booming across the changing rooms. I was taken aback as I was not expecting it.

When I came out, he was there, in the changing room area where young girls change, with a load of items, chatting away loudly to his wife/friend inside the cubicle.

He was oblivious to the fact he was in a female only area. At the time, I was not sure if it was female only. I assumed it was mixed sex like Primark or H&M.

Outside, I found an assistant. These are few and far between, there's certainly not enough to have a changing room attendant.

I asked this girl of about 17/18 if the changing rooms were mixed sex. She said "No, we don't have any male changing rooms." She seemed surprised. I said there was a man inside, but left it at that. I do not expect an 18-year-old girl on minimum wage to deal with that. In hindsight, I should have gone back in and asked him "why are you in female only changing rooms where girls undress?"

Either this man was so emboldened to enter the space, because boundaries are blurred or he genuinely did not know. We know longer know the rules, because some stores allow men in, because nobody can police this. I should have gone back in, because it seems to be up to women to police, but who's going to approach men to tell them, and risk danger?

I checked with my husband to see if he would have gone in that space, as that man (who was around 50, my husband's age) and he said absolutely not. He knows it's not appropriate.

I expect if I had approached the man, he and his wife/friend would have laughed and told me I'm ridiculous. But if one man is allowed, then that's every man, and we have no way of knowing which men are dangerous, which ones want to see young girls address.

He was clearly so emboldened, so unaware that what he was doing was inappropriate, that standing outside cubicles where young girls dress, is not acceptable.

Even hearing a man in there made me feel uncomfortable and I'm late 40s, so for a young girl, in her underwear, hearing this guy outside her door, it would no doubt be more uncomfortable.

I'm kicking myself for not challenging him, but I doubt he would ever feel uncomfortable anyway, such was the sense of entitlement.
But, if he didn't genuinely know (because lines are blurred) then I wish I had raised the issue, because this feels like another problem we have to sort ourselves.

Interestingly, H&M changing rooms were closed. Could be staffing, or the fact it's just easier.

Undress, not address!

His wife should surely have known how inappropriate it was, even if he was too entitled to think about it? Shame on her, too.

Whatever happened to men waiting outside the changing area looking embarrassed until their girlfriend/wife stepped outside to get an opinion (usually swiftly ignored, of course)?