Men of the far right and the women's movement

[SapphosRock]

Excellent article from Jean Hatchett about the recent fascism debate.

https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

This bit really struck me:

On one side of the fence are aggressive men screaming “fascist” at women who are clearly not. On the other side, skulking in the shadows, beneath the banners of women, are men who clearly are.

The "entryism" here is those who somehow think they get to tell Posie Parker how to run her campaign...

I'm so tempted to get a T shirt printed with "poundshop fascist and proud".

I think we’ll notice if Standing for Women is taken over by grey haired Christian UKIP blokes.

I think we’ll notice if Standing for Women is taken over by grey haired Christian UKIP blokes.

Not if they get really good wigs.

Blonde ones from Poundland?

It isn’t going to stop the parasites coming.

Well that's given me a laugh at least.

Recent tweets from the most prolific Brighton "beaches" keep refering to how much Posies house is worth (!!) and more smears about Companies House filings. This is all dirt digging and nothing to do with altruistic protection against parasites. (Can you imagine the lefty outrage if a Tory called anyone a parasite?)

You must think we are stupid.

They identify as left wing.

and as ‘Antifa’

They are left wing. And it's time the feminists owned it. As I said, they are in all the left wing activist groups, aligned to the Labour party, Green party, some even work in these parties.

And yet it has been questioned whether this is considered 'bullying'.

Jean was all set to go to the US with KJK and Venice Allen a few years ago. She didn't go and gas been slagging off Posie ever since.

It pisses me off how it's more important to them to be the leaders than it is to actually protect women and children.

If I'd been one of the women who spoke up at Brighton, I would be seething with fury about now. These so-called feminists could have supported those brave women, but instead they chose to attack Posie and smear everyone associated with the event.

They are toxic and women-hating and selfish and cynical.

But I guess they've just spent a week outing themselves as such. They've made themselves irrelevant. I suggest we let them go, like so much useless cargo, so we can speed up and go further. Onwards!

Another belief beloved of the political left: awful and unacceptable behaviour fiercely policed and condemned in others, is always acceptable if being done by someone from the virtuous elite in the name of their politics. By being 'good' whatever they do is justifiable and in the name of good.

It is a deeply fucked up viewpoint.

Boudica

I agree. It really seems that some of these people are very much on a pedestal and cannot see the blatant hypocrisy of their own actions.

'It is not difficult to announce to these men, once and for all, that they are not welcome at women’s events. If they turn up, turn them away.'

So, they weren't invited, and it's quite possible nobody in the SFW event knew who they are, but somehow it's up to the women busy making speeches to vet all the people in the crowd and if any of them turn out to have unsavoury political connections they are to 'turn them away'?

How, exactly?

I'm fascinated that it's the job of women trying to address a crowd to identify and turn away those who may be hiding possibly doubtful political affiliations, and these people are apparently more of a deep concern than those screaming 'fascist' into the face of a baby, throwing smoke bombs and carrying knives.

Incidentally the one screaming abuse into a baby's face was extremely pure left, being the employee of a Labour MP.

If it were so easy to turn away unwelcome men we wouldn’t need to be here on this board posting about how the fuck we get our female only spaces back.

instead we could simply ‘announce to these men, once and for all, that they are not welcome at women’s events. If they turn up, turn them away.'

🙄

This. I used to respect Jean Hatchett, but this has happened so many times now.

Case in point however.

Most balanced people are able to say 'I respect and agree with this person's actions and views on this, while disagreeing with them quite significantly in their actions and views about that, and here is why'. Rather than 'I have identified an impurity! Off with their heads!'

Which is not quite so balanced.

instead we could simply ‘announce to these men, once and for all, that they are not welcome at women’s events. If they turn up, turn them away.'

Yes, indeed. It's actually quite poetic in a way. Undesirable men crash a women's event; other women pillory said women for not fighting them off effectively.

This ^^^

So, if we all tut loudly enough, will the men who are far right leave? Should we recommend it for the FWS rally soon to test it out? How should FWS monitor the crowd and find the ones to tut at?

I am sure they are all ears waiting to find out.

And will it then work for extreme trans activists. I think we should all just 'tut' at the beginning and then just before each new speaker. It can be the far right repellent.

And if you think this is ridiculous, you are right. It is. So too is the continuation of the point of view 'one faction of feminists should denounce the far right people who turn up to the freely accessible public meetings in the park'. But it hasn't stopped that shit from being spread repeatedly across the internet with not even one valid suggestion as to how that can be done.

Therefore tutting, or the organiser for each event should just say a disclaimer at the start 'just to be clear, any far right person or trans activist that is here today, 'we are not aligned with you'!'

Or does that need to be every single fucking speaker who is a feminist speaker? Is that how it should be done?

What happens if the bad people splice off that disclaimer..... how will anyone know it was 'denounced'.

It seems that 'denounce' the people who were never invited or embraced in the first place and no one knows who they are is sounding very suspiciously like those posters who pop on here and tell us that it is all very 'both sides' and we should all just have a chat to work it out, why haven't the two sides come to an agreement yet?

The complete lack of logic is stunning.

And yes, I mean For Women Scotland.

How are THEY going to monitor their rally? Or are there no far right people in Scotland - they have been evicted already.

Shutting out points of view ultimately helps the process of entryism more than allowing people to talk.

The former means that it becomes impossible to repudiate ideas once some perspective is given official status. If there is an ability to challenge, any perspective, even fascist ones, has to stand up and make a case for itself.

There is no way to make sure no one ever disagrees with what you think is right. That is a state of affairs that does not exist and if it did it would be a dystopia.

If there is an ability to challenge, any perspective, even fascist ones, has to stand up and make a case for itself.

Absolutely!

I do wish more people on the left had the level of maturity of this guy.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/23/uncomfortable-conversations-campus-zachary-wood