sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

@FOJN That about is a fascist dog whistle.
They learned through the BNP that saying we are racist, we do not want Muslims in this country and we do not want gay and lesbian people to have rights, does them no favours. So they couch their agenda in more neutral-sounding language.

They support free speech because people like Tommy Robinson have been jailed for what they said. Men who had groomed and raped girls could have got away with it because he nearly caused a mistrial. He argues he should have been allowed to say what he wanted and not jailed.

So what? What's it to you? She's not representing you. She's not representing feminists.

I'm not sure why you can't ignore her.

And you may not have done so, but plenty of people have commented on her looks. Particularly her hair.

That about is a fascist dog whistle.

😂Thank you, my bingo card is complete.

The more you slag her off the more I realize how good and inclusive and effective Posie is.

TBH, the more antelope slags her off, the more she just sounds like Jesus to me, busy spreading the Word, versus all the slagging off coming from the pharisees or whatever, demanding to know why she's associating with sinners.

Long time since bible studies, so I might be a bit wonky.

(Is Jesus still a good guy, or is he deeply problematic now?)

I think antelope needs to apologise, if there is an explanation you should give it

But to me it looks like you absolutely said it, MNHQ will delete posts like that they have done it in the past

And less of the 'you just need to handle the space better' bollocks about open air spaces would be handy as well.

I care because I am a feminist. If gender critical views end up having some association with fascists that makes campaigning work harder for all feminists.

It makes sense to have women-only feminist events but lots of us are here because we’re worried about children (one of mine has been transed by the school without permission) or because we believe bad ideas are best defeated by freespeech and the TRA movement is all about denial of free speech.

so some events that push back on the TRAs aren’t going to be purely feminist events and men (especially dads) have lots of reason to care and to attend.

Posie let’s anyone attend but only women speak, which is more material centring if women than say, WPUK, who let anyone (with a ticket) attend, and give transitioned males speaker spots.

If gender critical views end up having some association with fascists that makes campaigning work harder for all feminists.

Then why the endless attempts to associate those views with fascists???

Why do you keep promoting the fascists?

Lol. The only person linking gender critical views with fascism is you.

2 men who KJK doesn't know turn up and despite having a virtually unknown presence on the internet, someone from the TRA side manages to find the video they live streamed on their website and shouts for all the world to see that here's actual proof KJK has alt-right connections just like we said.
Obviously, TRA's regularly seek out fascist propaganda so this is wholly believable.

Posie says she isn’t a feminist and doesn’t run feminist events.

Why do you keep pulling her back towards you (by expecting her to behave to feminist standards) if you don’t want to be associated with her?

Why don’t you just say ‘Posie is Posie, she’s not a feminist, there is just some overlap in aims when it comes to women only spaces, services and language’ and stop obsessing over what she does and who she does (or doesn’t) know?

You're going have to try harder than this. You have spent the whole thread trying to force a relationship between people who don't even look very fascist, and Posie.

And then try to complain about it!

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Thank you Rufus. I agree there needs to be an apology. I haven't reported the comments because I want people to be able to see for themselves the tactics that Antelope is using here. In case anyone was still thinking Antelope is arguing in good faith.

the reality is a small group of feminists carries out the actual work

Oh dear God

Here. Have this. I promise we won’t forget and those with podcasts or who produce TV & Radio should pay you all squillions to appear and tell people the real facts of who they should be thanking in a the post war winning analysis part.

Force teaming women’s rights campaigners and (supposed) fascists and then claiming you are doing it because you DON’T want feminism associated with fascism is a very muddled strategy, I concur.

I believe fascists already know you can't change sex.

IKR!!

i've heard of people setting others up to fail, but setting yourself up to fail probably isn't going to have a chapter in the big book of successful strategy.

I have such mixed feelings. Take their attitude to Islam for example.

On the one hand I could probably agree with most of what they say. And not only that but as someone on the economic left I want issues like this discussed because I fear we will never have a decent left wing government if mainstream left wing parties bury their heads in the sand and refuse to address legitimate concerns, because ignoring issues leads a proportion of the working classes to seek (and give power to) right wing alternatives.

I want to hear from people raising these concerns because if they are not raised and addressed by labour then they will be raised and addressed by the tories and actual fascists and the outcome will be less appealing to left wing progressives than if they;d tried to address concerns.

But on the other hand, I know full well people who bang on about patriotism and islam tend to be dangerous extremists who should be dealt with by a combination of ignoring them and quiet targetted sabotage where possible.

The absolute worst of all worlds is pretending that they are pure evil with no valid concerns and making yourself look like a typical ivory tower left winger who has no concept of how to address the concerns of ordinary people, then amplifying their voices by banging on about them in a room where people don;t know who they are and don;t care.

It's actually one of the Brighton feminists broadcasting this. The one behind the nasty blog page.

She's been shouting racist and demanding denunciation for weeks now.

I stand corrected. Just someone who dislikes KJK and has a personal beef then. Doing the work for tra's though so maybe I wasn't wrong first time.

Are you seriously suggesting that the GC critical message is being held back by Posie, and many more people would be GC by now if only Purity Spiral Feminists were campaigning?

It is possible that PSF-style campainging is best if you are campaigning solely in the Brighton lesbian scene (to use an obvious example) but if you want you message to reach the whole country you have to speak to the whole country.

I haven't reported because I know the vast majority of posters on FWR don't like it

But it's a really shitty thing to do to someone...if there is a reasonable explanation that's a different matter

Although I've no idea what a reasonable explanation would be !

I have such mixed feelings. Take their attitude to Islam for example.

I agree and could go through paragraph by paragraph highlighting the things I disagree with. I think some of the wording is unecessarily provocative, describing the actions of grooming gangs as jihad for example but I cannot see what makes them fascist. Of course you could end up with fascism if their ideas were taken to extremes but I think it's a mistake and inaccurate to call them fascists.

You seem to be a 'feminist' that thinks that women who are right wing do not deserve a voice, and that their children are to be thrown under a bus?

Is that what you are saying?

Can I just ask, do you think all public spaces should be policed and those thinking bad thoughts need to be kicked out.