sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

Shall we slope off down the pub and leave them to it?

Firstly, please link to videos and provide time-stamps if you wish people like me to think that you are serious about trying to change minds.

Secondly, I think you might have missed this, but KJK is about women's voices, not about some women's voices. Please try to read this sentence a number of times and then if you can finally get it KJKs actions will become more understandable to you.

Finally, can you please post links with timestamps to the videos showing fascists promoting a fascist agenda at KJKs events or are you talking about a problem that doesn't exist?

If every other speaker were promoting a fascist agenda and the day finished with a round of nazi-style saluting "heil posie" you might have a point, but I don;t get the impression that that's how these events play out.

Posie will tell anyone who listens that she doesn't have an organisation. It's just her. It's the only way she will operate, because she wants all the autonomy.

She has an objective and everything she says and does go towards that.

she is extremely smart and tactical. If she genuinely thought that her message was being watered down, she would address it.

But, I believe, the opposite is actually happening. No matter what is thrown at her, she is reaching more and more women.

very good point!

That's not an answer antelopevalley. Everyone is able to attend Posie Parker's open events. Again - they definitely weren't there with her, they could well have been with the TRA side given their links and further evidence that has come to light eg social media replies to their post so why are you blaming Posie Parker for their presence?

You accused me of "slagging off muslims" and "sharing right wing memes".

You can either retract those accusations and apologise.

Or you can present your evidence.

But this gaslighting is just making you look bad.

YouSirNeighMmmm: Finally, can you please post links with timestamps to the videos showing fascists promoting a fascist agenda at KJKs events or are you talking about a problem that doesn't exist?

Its not that that's the problem its that pesky Fascism by Osmosis. You don't even have to hear the words, its just seeps into your brain

I am blaming her for not telling them they are not welcome.
She said they are welcome.

Secondly, I think you might have missed this, but KJK is about women's voices, not about some women's voices. Please try to read this sentence a number of times and then if you can finally get it KJKs actions will become more understandable to you.

This.

Entry requirements are that you have been affected by gender ideology.

Not what your political viewpoints are.

Posie is crystal clear about this.

It's pointless telling her she's not a feminist, that she's just a platinum blonde mum, that she hobnobs with people who hold the wrong political views.

None of what she does is conditional upon those things.

You would've thought people would recognise her tactics by now.

Kind of summed up by I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is.

@beastlyslumber No I did not.

May I remind everyone that even right wing fascists who think bad things, are legal citizens of the UK and as such are as fully able to walk on public land and attend public events and take video in public spaces as much as anyone else.

Oh well. As you think Posie is a racist anyway the demise of SFW will be a good thing anyway right?

Then you with all your excellent experience can step in & sort this issue out with a few workshops.

Good plan.

Can we worry about the not-in-power people once we've had a bit more success against those in power.

I completely agree, that's why I'm flummoxed by the focus on Labour/the Left here, when the Tories are responsible for the Self ID shitshow and continue to put male bodied sex offenders in women's prisons.

I’m getting really interested in the HoO/TRA connection Seahorses.

I believe that particularly TRA has a thread on 🥝 🚜 which should be getting it’s brand new reboot later today.

Sargon has a thread there too.

Yes you did, @antelopevalley and here's the proof.

Retract this and apologise. Or produce your evidence.

Your lying and gaslighting is such a bad look.

That's actually a perfect summary of TRA behaviour as well as the treatment of Posie Parker. Videos of the TRA behaviour were everywhere, it was in the papers and it was condemned without exception. But there was too much toxic jealousy and factionalism so some are now doing their best to pretend baby screamers, sex offenders, racists and actual mates of Hearts of Oak are somehow in the right. CBA with it.

Everyone is welcome. So again, why are you blaming Posie Parker for TRA links to what you call fascists and those fascists turning up along with dangerous TRAs? It won't go away.

You can be nervous, but you really are welcome as long as you do not say anything racist

yeah, but so far, according to you, one can be fascist without saying anything fascist ( you have repeatedly refused to say what HoO say or do that is fascist. Again, I am open to this being as I have only just heard of them, but make your case). So that reassurance is not reassuring.

That’s easy to explain. Most of us are or were left. Many of us were Labour members and activists.

At some point the political pendulum will swing back and Labour will win again and we’ve all seen with our own eyes, from deep inside the party, that it’s not fit for purpose.

That doesn’t mean supporting the Tories, but it does mean trying to get shit changed while they are in power because if we instead focused on changing who was in power we’d then have Labour to work with and they are riddled right through with blue haired identitarians and no longer capable of doing anything practical like emptying bins, let alone running the country.

Interesting, TheClogLady. The more I read the more I think my toddler in the biscuit tin analogy is exactly what's going on.

Apologies for the wall of text but these are the issues which concern Hearts of Oak, I've C+P'd from their own website. There is plenty I disagree with but I think the paragraph on free speech is important, particularly the final two sentences. I'm not seeing anything about violent suppression of dissent. Are they fascist light? Could anyone who thinks they are full blown fascists please highlight the parts which evidence this?

Free Speech
Freedom to think and speak
Free speech is the bedrock of a free society with open and free debate being one of the big drivers of innovation and justice. Lockdown brought an unprecedented onslaught on our abilities to speak freely on issues which the establishment has decreed as off limits. Limiting the discussion of contentious issues is leading to more division in society not less. A future without civilised debate will only take us towards darker times and threatens our ability to think freely for ourselves and to understand and tolerate our differences. We must welcome back healthy debate.

National Identity and Patriotism
The UK has a quiet, private patriotism that is not flamboyant . We also have a proud history and pageantry that is not only enjoyed as a nation but is a magnet for tourism. This is encapsulated in the Commonwealth of Nations and must be protected through strong borders. The identity and culture that makes us British is now under attack. The BLM movement call those who defeated Facist Germany racist, our media delight in denigrating our historical achievements and our education system seems determined to ensure that our children have no knowledge of what makes Britain Great. Our citizens need to regain a sense of pride and camaraderie. Through harmony and cooperation our nation can be a beacon of hope, democracy and freedom to the World.

Lost Liberties of Lockdown
A New Tyranny
Our freedoms now lie in tatters because of a virus that supposedly threatened us all. Going to shops, having a drink, visiting elderly relatives, attending church and going on holiday were all banned. Even Christmas gatherings were made illegal. And the ability to speak out has been curtailed with government and big tech silencing any dissenting voices. Government overreach and censorship of opinions must end now or society simply becomes a mouthpiece for the state.

Grooming Gangs
Awareness and justice
These Muslim/Pakistani rape gangs have operated with impunity for four decades in 40 towns across the UK. Politicians have claimed that up to 1 million girls have been affected by this evil yet there is silence from these communities. No one in authority is ever held accountable for ignoring these crimes and it continues to this day. We have no had over 400 men charged yet the sentences given are most lenient. Its time to end this jihad and protect our girls.

Stop sexualizing kids
Safety not fear
Institutions no longer question what is best for a child. Instead we see an increasing desire to use them for social sexual experiments. The rise of the militant LGBT lobby which now seeks to sexualise children for its own ideological goals is a perverse failure of the state to protect our children and to put their best interests at heart. The scale of the grooming gang scandal is another example of the protection of children being jettisoned by local authorities and police because of a fear of being called racist. It’s time to stop stealing children’s innocence and childhood.

Islam
Freedom from biased protection
In Islam all rights and freedoms are subject to Islamic law. In Islam there is no freedom to choose or change your religious belief. Apostates face punishment and ostracism. Women have few rights and freedoms Since 9/11 the term Islamic extremism or Islamism is used to separate violence from peace. Islamic texts offer no such distinction but show how the removal of opposition and the spread of Islam was through war. Islam must reject violence and offer women full rights and protection and allow robust criticism and debate.

Nobody has commented on her looks.

Feminists work for all women. But most feminists do not welcome all women and men to their events. Kellie-Jay does. That is the difference. She clearly says any woman and man can attend and all women can speak no matter who they are. It is that we are disagreeing on.

But most feminists do not welcome all women and men to their events. Kellie-Jay does. That is the difference. She clearly says any woman and man can attend and all women can speak no matter who they are.

Yes!

And maybe that's one of the reasons why she's so much more successful than the other groups. Perhaps?

If you want to demonstrate your way is better - hold more events your way!

But it's easier to criticise other people for "doing it wrong", isn't it?

Do you think you are getting anywhere with your line of argument, or do you think your aims would be better served by saying nothing?

Or, to put the question another way, is your priority women's rights or is your priority winning an online argument and reprimanding others for wrong-think.

I am not about to start copying KJKs SFW events, but if anything, after reading your words on this thread, if I was I would be seriously considering the extent to which I should be actively seeking out women on the right who I disagree with on most things, to ensure that my event had pro-women voices of all types. I would certainly not be strategizing how to keep people away. The more you slag her off the more I realize how good and inclusive and effective Posie is.

She's trying to reach as many people as possible in order to halt the spread of gender ideology. You don't do that by banning people from hearing your message.

look, I really don't understand this. If you disagree with what Posie is doing and saying just don't bother listening to any of it.

what's the reason you're trying to discredit her?