sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

Right. But you're only going to do that by rumour-mongering, fear-mongering, baseless accusations, twisting the facts and outright lying. You're not going to give any actual evidence or logical arguments, or engage with any of the opposing arguments you're presented with.

You are either not very genuine, or not very bright.

The TRAs at events are a constant issue. But that is not a new issue. And it will not be going away. It is clear the meeting still went ahead.
What is new is the extreme right, fascists turning up in support.

This is such a good point. The people fear-mongering about fundamentalist religious sects in the US never never never seem to notice Islamic fundamentalism in the UK, which is a much more present and pressing danger to women's rights and safety.

What is new is the extreme right, fascists turning up in support.

As I requested, could you please qualify why these specific group are fascists. What fascist policies do they want?

1. As established on this thread, HoO are not fascists
2. KJK is not responsible for those who turn up to her events
3. Why are you more worried about imaginary fascists that the actual mob that turned up and tried to stop women speaking?

On a thread that is about a middle class, seemingly neoliberal (but identifies as left wing) journalist and her chums sneering at a woman who runs a grass roots event where women from a variety of backgrounds get to speak about whatever they want?

@beastlyslumber So are you all involved in this fightback? Did you even take part in No Hijab Day on Twitter? More moderate Muslims and ex-Muslims organise this. Do you campaign against Sharia Courts in the UK? Do you attend the events organised in the UK by feminists working on these issues?

Or is your "work" simply slagging off Muslims and sharing right-wing memes?

It is a genuine ask. Because despite the number of people who justify sharing right-wing racist memes as protecting six-year-old girls from not wearing the hijab, the reality is a small group of feminists carries out the actual work. Sharia Courts in the UK is I think a major issue. And yet it rarely gets talked about in white spaces. You want to protect Muslim women and children? Start shouting and campaigning against Sharia Courts. Read and share One Law for All articles.

And never assume that because you do not hear about it in white spaces that there is no campaigning or fightback happening.

posting on twitter isn’t ‘doing the work’.

What on earth are you talking about @antelopevalley ? Where have I "slagged off muslims" or "shared right wing memes"? Produce the quotes and evidence before you come at me with this abuse.

And wtf is a ‘white space’?

You sound utterly unhinged @antelopevalley . Did you even read what I wrote? It doesn't look like it.

I have posted many times but you don't respond.

Hearts of Oak has no link to Posie Parker. None. It certainly does have verifiable links to a prominent TRA. Exactly why is Posie Parker being blamed for their attendance when it could be much more believably argued they were there for the TRAs, especially given the further evidence of anti-woman abuse in the replies to their video post inc the T word?

It's like dealing with toddlers caught with their hand in the biscuit tin who try to blame their sibling or the postman while the crumbs are all over their face.

Where have I "slagged off muslims" or "shared right wing memes"? Produce the quotes and evidence before you come at me with this abuse.

I haven't either, but trying to smear the women on this thread as Islamophobes is an interesting twist.

If you do not think BNP are fascists fine. But Hearts of Oak are equivalent to the BNP. Just with a better website. And they have not been around long enough for the public to realise who they are, so the name does not carry the same negative image as the BNP.
Kellie-Jay has said they are welcome at events and welcome to speak at them.
It will destroy the events.
And many will claim in a few years they could not have predicted what will almost inevitably happen.

I did not say you have. My comment was not even addressed to you.

Eresh was quoting Beastly!

I feel like we’re now talking to someone who has forgotten how the internet works.

i think you know that if KJM or HoO or any white woman on this thread were doing this, that would be taken as evidence of their fascism. Presumably now your case is that their not doing that is evidence of their racism?

We all know that our opponents have set up a ‘no win’ situation’. There is nothing KJM or any GC feminist can do which will stop their opponents seeing us as genocidal racist fascists. You know that. I know that.

And I have answered. I will again.
The issue is her response to their attendance. Kellie-Jays's response was to say they are welcome at her events and welcome to speak if they are women.
If she was concerned about them being there she would have said they were not welcome.
Watch her video. It is simply her words.

And many will claim in a few years they could not have predicted what will almost inevitably happen.

What will almost inevitably happen? "Destroy the events"?

Hang on, I thought you didn't approve of these events, because they're open access.

If open access events are "destroyed" then, surely that's good because there will be less competition for the closed events with limited access you like? (Or run?)

White women are more than welcome. Contact Maryam at One Law for All, she would love you to be involved. You could organise an event and she would support it. Some of these women have worked with white women to organise or support events or talks about these issues. They do not practice that kind of identity politics.
An email was sent out to a wide circulation of feminists asking them to take part in No Hijab Day with suggested tweets. Hardly any did. White, black and brown feminists are all very welcome in this fight.

It's like dealing with toddlers caught with their hand in the biscuit tin who try to blame their sibling or the postman while the crumbs are all over their face.

Yes this. Those blokes could quite easily have been there for the TRA masked, aggressively yelling group of people. There is no evidence they're linked to Posie or any of the other women there speaking up for women and children. None.

What the hell is wrong with people that they get all hand wringing about two blokes turning up in a public space to a public event when women are being threatened, abused, and living in fear because of the actions of the TRAs.

Their priority quite clearly isn't vulnerable women.

@antelopevalley No, sorry, we're still on this. Please produce your quotes and evidence of my "sharing right-wing memes" and "slagging off Muslims".

Come on. You can't just say shit like that and not back it up.

I want to know what I've posted that could possibly justify this abuse.

Or I want an apology.

Let's have it.

If she was concerned about them being there she would have said they were not welcome.

Who is "they"? She's talking about individuals. You're talking about organisations. No organisations speak at her events. Individuals do.

Which specific individuals should she say are not welcome and how "aligned" do they have to be to any particular group?

Membership cards, spoken to them once, once seen in the same room, once spoke to someone once seen in the same room...?

@NecessaryScene I have organised open-access public events. There is nothing wrong with doing open events. But you need to accept you can control them. I have run women-only open access events and turned away men. I would turn away Hearts of Oak or say they are not welcome afterwards if I had not known they were there.
Open-air events are the bedrock of political organising. They are not new.