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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

Social justice is one of those intentional dead end phrases - after all, no one decent could possibly be against social justice.

See also the phrase ‘black lives matter’ - no one decent would disagree with that! Yet the organisation that uses the phrase as it’s name doesn’t seem to have any answers when it comes to the tricky question on how to improve the lives of black people in America, at least, not beyond buying the founder of the org a big house.

It’s very Animal Farm.
And maybe a bit L Rob Hubbard.

He is the founder of Hearts of Oak.

Antelope keeps saying this over and over, but is there any evidence for it? I'm not immediately seeing it, and of course any credibility antelope had has gone, but I guess it could be true. Anyone got anything?

(Not that I'm 100% clear on who Tommy Robinson is and why he's so important to antelope, or why feminists should care about him more than, say, women. I do at least know he was described as "far right" over a decade ago when the term meant something).

Not even this.

If you're for more immigration, but anti illegal immigration you're a fascist.

I shared Wikipedia

genuine lol at that one.

The tiresome thing about fascist now being meaningless is it requires hours of dedicated research on every person accused of it.

Which I don't have time to do.

I liked it better when only actual facists were called facists, we knew where we were then.

Hearts of Oak say Tommy Robinson is their founder. You can find a video of their launch if you google. This stuff is not hard to find.

Fascists were never called fascists. The BNP claimed they were not racists.
They know they have to pretend not to be fascists.

You are obviously not interested in discussing this in good faith when no one has said anything of the sort.

Of course you don't say it, just like fascists don't say they're fascists. But we can observe the behaviour of those who claim they're the only ones with virtuous motives. That is very much a distinguishing feature of the current self-declared "left".

I always used to think it was an unfair right-wing caricature of the left, but the sheer outpouring of hate and projection of bad motives onto all dissent against the "left" has made that characterisation quite accurate. What may once have been an occasional character flaw in individuals, has become quite universal.

Largely because anyone inside the "left" who ever suggests that their opponents might not be evil, and might have a point worth debating gets excommunicated themselves...

Hold on I thought believing that there are only two sexes was what made you a fascist and now I learn it is about immigration. It is all so confusing! As far as I can tell, there are almost as many ways to be a fascist as there are to be transphobic. Basically most people are both those things by the criteria of those who identify as pure and wholesome lefties.

What are you on about?

The founder of Fascism, Benito Mussolini called his political party the National Fascist Party!

’Partito Nazionale Fascista’

His government was known as The Grand Council of Fascism’!

‘Gran Consiglio del Fascismo’

wtf is going on?

Is this an attempt at history being rewritten in front of our eyes?

Have we gone from Orwell’s Animal Farm to Huxley’s Brave New World?

No I really recall everyone except the BNP party members clearly agreeing they were racist.

Robinson gets hauled into any thread about KJK. I have no interest in bothering to look him up, he's a bogey man the lefty feminists and TRAs use to create a bad smell. He's not exactly hitting the mainstream press is he?

There is a whole script the 25 or so nasty Twitter TRAs churn away endlessly about KJK and the lefty feminists all use it too.

Antelope seems to have hit on something there though with the loss of credibility.

The denouncing ritual is for the 25 Twitter TRAs benefit. Lefty feminists seem to disproportionately care what they think about them, hence the frenzy about denouncing the fash.

No one would have noticed the fash if Hanover Hussy and the Sanctimonious Choir hadn't spat their dummies out about KJK trespassing in Brighton and tried to roll out the fash bogey man in a fit of pique.

Now, of course they are hoist on their own petard and the 25 Twitter TRAs, with whom they are locked in a Labour party war, are gloating because they can't get the motherfuckers to repent. Hence the wounded antelope.

It's been quite entertaining.

SDP are much closer to old labour. Left of centre economics (including the need to control immigration in order to be able to have such economic policies, which is at the root of their Brexit stance) and right of centre socially.

This is it in a nutshell.

I’m pretty sure some of the BNP were proud, outspoken racists!

Yep, just did a Google. Here’s Mark Collett, chair of the youth wing of the BNP, interviewed in the Guardian in 2002.

definitely not pretending he isn’t a racist when saying shit like, (direct copy and paste from
the Guardian) “I'm drawn to a racially pure white society."

theguardian.com/politics/2002/may/01/studentpolitics.education

Fascists were never called fascists. The BNP claimed they were not racists.
They know they have to pretend not to be fascists.

I'm having a bit of a "don't tell em pike" moment!

Hearts of Oak say Tommy Robinson is their founder. You can find a video of their launch if you google. This stuff is not hard to find.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but I do want to try to pin down lies if they are lies.

The first statement appears to be false. Their website says "Hearts of Oak was launched February 2020 in Westminster London and was the brainchild of Alan Craig and Peter McIlvenna". So if they're saying "Tommy Robinson is their founder" they're doing it somewhere not immediately obvious, and it would contradict that, unless someone is playing semantic games.

Tommy Robinson was at the launch event I found the video of - scanned through it briefly, and it's not immediately clear what his role is beyond supporting them. I don't see anything to suggest "Tommy Robinson is their founder" is any more accurate than "Carl Benjamin is their founder" (he was also at the same event) or, to cite an example closer to home, "Allison Bailey is the founder of LGB Alliance" (IIRC she was at their launch event, and supports, but has never had a formal role).

There's clearly an association. The connection is not totally fabricated. But it looks like it's being spun to the point of falsehood for maximum effect. Maybe someone who doesn't have to retreat for the evening could pin it down.

Sorry about the giant apple, it's been a "thing" like massive text for the last few days for me!

Name calling/labelling to dismiss and dehumanise has become a fairly major component of the left identity.
That, and throwing around terms like the aforementioned 'social justice'. If you don't agree AT ONCE you are some sort of demon.

I don't know who coined the term Leftwaffe, but it hits the spot and whoever it was deserves a medal.

I don't know who coined the term Leftwaffe, but it hits the spot and whoever it was deserves a medal.

I've never heard that until just now, but it's perfect! Leftwaffe - says it all!

Chapter 2 of my investigation into the assertion:

‘The BNP Claimed they Were Not Racists

it’s video from election night 8 years ago and BNP leader Nick Griffin isn’t having a very good night.

He, is, however, definitely not denying that the BNP are racists. In fact, he’s actually laughing as he’s asked about it, because they are happily using ‘we’re MORE racist than UKIP’ as if it’s a jolly good thing.

youtube video: The BNP want to send EVERYONE back, not just Polish people!

so saying that the BNP claimed not to be racist and fascists didn’t call themselves fascist, is, on reflection, a bit bloody gaslightly, no?

Fascists were never called fascists. The BNP claimed they were not racists.
They know they have to pretend not to be fascists.

This would have come as something of a surprise to Late FIL. Who went to war under the distinct impression he was a young (18) fascist, fighting for the fascist cause, for Mussolini.

We have old school records, ID cards, certificates of merit for various things, the papers denouncing his brother as a partigiano, for which he was sent to POW camp, although late FIL always said “partigiano my arse, he was playing in the woods to avoid being drafted”.

They all have fascist on them somewhere. Usually right at the top in fancy lettering. It wasn’t a secret.

Tommy Robinson set it up.
But the other two are not much better.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/07/ukip-christian-alan-craig_n_5944838.html

Where have you got your info that Tommy Robinson set up HoO? Because that information doesn't seem to be anywhere that I can find.

Provide a link, please.

Hearts of Oak launch
www.newenglishreview.org/new-freedom-movement-hearts-of-oak-launched-in-london-by-tommy-robinson-carl-benjamin/