sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

The links is two men from Hearts of Oak turned up at one of her events and filmed the talks.
Kellie is clear she has no issue with that.
Hearts of Oak are fascists and was set up by Tommy Robinson.

If fascists turned up at an event I organised and I found out afterwards I would be making it clear they are not welcome.

@TheClogLady Yeah that is a pretty common response from her supporters. Just to laugh as if fascists do not matter.

When someone becomes associated with fascists a lot of decent people move far away.

People move far away from authoritarianism on the left and the right.
I don’t want to be anywhere near fascists nor balaclava clad anti fascists, which sadly has meant moving away from the Labour Party.

(See the Carly May Kavanagh thread for details)

If fascists turned up at an event I organised and I found out afterwards I would be making it clear they are not welcome.

Cool.
Quit finger wagging at us and organise something then - be sure to make it ticket only and do a background check on everyone before issuing the ticket.

100%.

I think that is frustrating us all.

You think you can accurately judge someone's political or ideological beliefs by looking at them?

They weren't with Posie Parker. Nor were the TRAs who also turned up and Posie Parker hasn't expressed any issues with that either as far as I know. Are you going to try to blame Posie Parker for the racist attacks, the sex attack, the thug with the bag of knives? And I repeat, the only verifiable links with Hearts of Oak between the groups in Brighton is on the transactivist side. That has to be examined and condemned by YOUR side along with the violence and racism. Take responsibility because your desperate attempts to pretend everything is someone else's fault won't work any more.

There are very few people who would be considered gender critical that are far right.

It is a moderate, mainstream view point that millions of British men and women have.

Gender-critical is a far-right ideology, those are the people it attracts.

Thats the issue.

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Although, to be fair, of the thousand people who registered, hundreds were TRAs. So it obviously attracted them.

Being gender critical is a cornerstone of feminism anywhere. Challenging the stereotypes and expectations placed on women is feminism.

On the other hand, if you are talking specifically about understanding that there are only two sexes. You're going to have to include almost everyone on the planet in your far right nonsense.

I do organise things.
And if fascists turned up to a public event I would put out a statement saying they are not welcome.

Since we’re all far right simply by believing in the importance of sex and the relative irrelevance of gender identity where shall we go from here? What are you doing here talking to us? Aren’t you worried you’d get tarred with the same brush if “moderates” and “centrists” which is what I assume you thinks gender identity believers are, knew that you were engaging with us, a group completely beyond the pale? How can you bear to sully yourself through interaction with us?

Then not a single TRA at the Brighton protest would be allowed to go to antelopevalley's meeting. Posie Parker and the women with her would be fine. I repeat, the only verifiable links to Hearts of Oak is to a transactivist.

How are you defining 'fascist'? How would you know if someone who turned up was a fascist?

No, I have heard journalists talking about the time prior to the Times article, saying that they heard what the BNP were saying but ignored it, because the BNP innit?

Which I said right up there in my previous post about this. Clearly no journalists were ignoring the abuse scandal after the Times story broke. So I am not sure why you are inventing that timeline in an attempt to refute what I said?

Super!

Are we all banned?

Only the poster above says everyone who is GC is automatically Far Right so it’s going to be hard to hold a GC or RadFem event and not be accused of some sort of fascist sympathising.

Welcome to 2022!

Probably because you sound ridiculous.

How are you defining 'fascist'? How would you know if someone who turned up was a fascist?

I was wondering this. Have you been on the Hearts of Oak site? They seem to me to be based around Free Speech and a belief in a small state. I don't see how this is compatible with fascism.

Definitely doesn’t sound fascist.

But then, we are in topsy turvy opposite world where males can be females, so maybe Fascists can be Libertarians?
Dunno how they’ll pay for all the jackboots with a minimal taxation system tho!

They seem to be supportive of the current government, so it's probably fair to say that they're right wing, but free speech isn't really something that I associate with fascists.

The people at the Brighton event who seemed to be behaving more like fascists were the racist glitter-throwing woman and the smoke bomb throwers who were trying to disrupt the event and stop people speaking.

You think you can accurately judge someone's political or ideological beliefs by looking at them?

I think Necessary was making a joke.

I think it might be because we aren’t entirely trusted. To know which ideology is bad or good. To distinguish between a valuable argument and an awful one. To resist attempts to entice us into the wrong sort of crowd.

I mean if we haven’t concluded that the left is right for women and/or feminist (of whichever flavour is being proffered) is an obvious choice of label to stick on our heads, then we are … not good at picking the right side to be on and stay on ? So we need chaperoning through what we hear, who says it and who is filming. By people more savvy than us.

Now I’m sad that there is no such thing as an audio-triggered automatically self-removing doormat that relies on a trained dog who knows to bark on seeing Nazi regalia.

bad times.

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The trouble with the dishonesty is that I don't believe you unless you link me to the point in the video where she says that and uses the word fascist?

You know this is the same for the whole country, right?

That's how liberal democracy works.

People can have whatever political opinions they want. They can go to any public meetings they want. They can write to their MPs, they can vote for the candidates they want.

They aren't barred from going to the supermarket, the doctor, the theater, signing petitions, sending their kids to school, joining a knitting circle, or anything else.

And they also have kids who can be affected by gender ideology, they may themselves be affected.

I increasingly suspect that what people who think like you want is actually a state where there is thought control and a social credit system.

It does not make me more inclined to move my vote left.

Ah, we don't know what's good for us.

I had a chat with a steward at the event as we looked over the police shoulders at the young people telling us to fuck off.

It was all middle aged mums on our side and hormonal students on the other. I know my hormonal students at home went through a phase of telling me I hadn't a clue and occasionally to fuck off. It was a phase, so I didn't take it too seriously and lots of those young people will grow out of it, hopefully within chemical damage as my eldest puts it now.

The lefty feminists aren't going through a phase though are they? They have locked into this political immaturity and are staying there for the duration.

All this started with the authors of the nasty webpage who have been demanding we repent motherfuckers for days and days now.

Well, have a tambourine to go with that because we won't be