sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

@MumsnetTowers

How about it ? Can we squat on a board that nobody has posted on for yonks ? Don’t even have to change the name. I’m sure we can live with being called “Goldfish Aficionados” or similar.

It’s not fair on the feminists that their board keeps being used as the sole home for this topic when not all people who agree with them and want to talk about this issue are feminists.

@MalagaNights @AlienatedChildGrown Ooh, can I join, please? I tend to agree. Not an online organiser myself but I'll bring the virtual biscuits.

I do think the whole purity thing is a type of madness, exacerbated by social media and motored by an intellectual class.

You had me at biscuit.

This is me.

(Cartoon stolen from Colin Wright, of the ‘Reality’s Last Stand’ sub stack)

I believe the Earth is a sphere. Many people believe that too, but we will have widely different views on other things. Have we really got to the stage where we can't tolerate different views (real or rumoured) and have to have all our views aligned? If so then there is no hope in getting effective kickback. Public meetings are just anyone can turn up, set up a camera and film. I was at Brighton I didn't know who the men filming were. I did see a film crew who were making a documentary and I did see the camera woman being blocked by transactivists. If I were to know the men from Oak Hearts were who they were was it my right to block their camera and if so why would I think that was right when the event was being live streamed.
Were we all supposed to line up and have Kelly Jay check out thinking on all issues before we were allowed to watch in a public place? Good image shared by Standing for Women today.

It's just another extension of identity politics, isn't it?

I'm in <group>. I must agree with whatever <group> thinks. Anyone that doesn't toe the party line of <group> is the enemy.

It's why I'd never join a particular political party. I may lean to one side but would never pass any purity tests.

It's tiring, gets in the way of getting important stuff done and there will always be infighting.

I'm fine with not calling myself a feminist <shrug>.

I love this! It's me too!

I am just wondering how on earth Posie would have done an audit on everyone there, in amongst the yelling, screaming, shouting, smoke bombs, glitter bombs?

Or is she supposed to just know who is a bad un and who isn't?

Hahahaha @AlienatedChildGrown & @RaininginDarling we've found our people!!

Problem is I suspect we're where we are because we're really not very tribal or 'clubbable' so we'd be really bad at forming and maintaining a tribe 🤣🤣

Also although I think I'm a bit out of place I do like it here on FWR.
It's really shaped my thinking by challenging me, there are some really sharp and admirable women on here and it's become much more politically eclectic and tolerant over the past couple of years.

The assumptions still exist but they get challenged now, as this thread shows!

I just did a quick search on black bodysuit and found a shocking array of high street shops selling this racist clothing. I can't believe my eyes!

Yep it's absolutely me.

I thought I better check this because y’know, there is a lot of misinformation flying about on this thread…

I’m AGHAST! Do Ann Summers not know that All Coppers Are Bastards? Were the riots of 2020 all for NOTHING?

Corporations who claim to support the cause and use the Progress Pride flag symbol in their marketing campaigns really should know we are supposed to be defunding the police not fetishising them!

Perhaps the Ann Summers marketing team took Ice T & BodyCount’s polemic anthem ‘Fuck The Police’ literally?

I'm not a feminist or a misogynist. I'm a woman and I care about women's and children's rights.

So sick of being told what I am as if I'm too stupid to know for myself. I used to be a feminist and a "socialist" and then I changed my mind, based on knowing more and living more.

I think PP doesn't call herself a feminist because she got kicked out of feminism. She wouldn't do the group think, so decided it was easier to just give up the word. Which is sort of ironic, I suppose, given her fight for the word 'woman'. I know which word matters more to me, anyway.

So true @MalagaNights I'm more plurist than purist. See also: quite laaazy. 🤣

I joined MN because of this board. I like the diversity of thought, and experience and I appreciate having my thinking challenged (rather than checked). Sometimes, admittedly, I'll eyeroll and scroll on by if it's all a bit heated.

What a ridiculous statement, Conservatives are the only ones doing the heavy lifting in this particular debate and changing laws more in tune with so called feminism.

Absolute rubbish. Posie Parker is changing no laws.

Very clever. Bit mad though. Nearly all the GC ppl I know are left wing. Self ID was brought in here by a right wing government. I have yet to hear a centrist or right wing politician so much as question it.

Trouble is , all the party leaderships are captured - left to right. My liberal friends haven't gone left at all. They've gone mad.

I no longer belive in many of the tenents of 'left wing Feminism' and my thinking is probably closer to what PP says now.

But I think PP is wrong to accept the lable of 'not a feminist' (she clearly is)

No one's kicking me out of Feminism.

Anyone who thinks they can can fuck right off.

I'm talking it with me so, fuck you.

If you dont believe women can unappologetically center themselvs in their own movement - Your not a Feminist, Iv just kicked you out of Feminism.

I can't say we would see eye to eye on everything, but your position is very reasonable IMO.

The right are not our allies, but they are our allies on this particular issue.

You're both right.

I believe that it suits the right to talk of "the left", when in fact we have three things. (1) A centrist labour party economically. (2)The economic left - people who support higher taxes for the rich and corporations, higher spending on the NHS (a lot of people). (3) The identity left - the noisy part of the labour party (and other groups) which is failing to hold the labour party to account in terms of left wing economic policy, and actively rendering them unelectable due to their stance on women's and LGB rights being accepted by the party leadership. It's like Starmer is too conservative and afraid of the media to offer left wing economic policies, and too afraid of TRAs to speak sense on social issues.

That is a good post!

Yes I think you have nailed Labour's problems there. On the economy they are shit scared of the Mail et al. On social issues they are intimidated by The Guardian and Stonewall.

Meanwhile Sheila Graham and Mick Lynch are leading the Opposition. What a mess.

??????? Black bodysuits are also not blackface.

Before someone pops up and claims that akshually he had black tights on his head, or a binliner or something, can we get it clear that covering your skin with black material or fabric of any sort != blackface. That’s simply not what the word means. I think it’s important to establish that, because it seems to have been a sticking point in TRA discourse for several months.

Now that’s clear, it should also be clear that it wasn’t blackface. I know there’s a real penchant for redefining words Humpty Dumpty style among some of the finger-pointers but I’m going to have to request that they refrain from hurling accusations based on their personal novelty redefinitions - that way madness lies.

I agree with you! On pretty much all of this! So nice to see someone else write it all down!