sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

@Discovereads I am sorry to see the many personal attacks on you here. This always happens if anyone is at all critical of KJK.

It was clearly blackface and racist.

This lie has been debunked multiple times on threads specific to the topic. Repeating the lie won’t do anything other than derail the thread.

It’s funny antelopevalley, you always pop up on threads about Mr Menno or KJK but you’re nowhere to be seen on threads about children getting breasts removed or WPATH colluding with child sex abuse fetishists. If you’re so defensive about this ideology that you want to repeat lies, where’s your commitment on all the other threads?

The lie has not been debunked, All that happens is everyone says they can't see the racism.
When the photo was posted though MN took it down as it broke guidelines. They saw the racism.

Same, don't be critical of KJK.
Not even slightly.
All the "but she's luffly's! " come out, it's so strange like nobody can say anything that is mildly critical against!

@ToGanymedeAndTitan I find it ironic on a post criticising Sarah Ditum for being critical of KJK and "mean", there are lots of women really attacking anyone who says anything negative about KJK. Some of the comments are very mean.
And anyone being critical is assumed to be a TRA or a man. When many of us are feminists who are gender abolitionists.

Incorrect. It has been explained what it is multiple times.

It’s part of the same strategy to throw mud at people.

But there is clear evidence that “your” side antelopevalley colluded with child sex abuse fetishists. You haven’t been on a WPATH thread denying it, so I assume you must accept it. You avoid those threads, the ones with clear evidence of harm, like the plague. Why is that I wonder?

@NotBadConsidering as you know I am not a TRA. I am feminist who has been active for decades. We were fighting for women only spaces decades ago. It is a constant fight.

And anyone being critical is assumed to be a TRA or a man. When many of us are feminists who are gender abolitionists.
Yes to this, same

Really? I must have misread all of your posting history then.

No one has “attacked” Discovereads. People has asked Discovereads to produce evidence to back up Discovereads attacks on KJK. Discovereads failed to produce it. Plus ça change.

And the explanation was simply that oh no its i not racist. I see nothing racist about a man blacked up calling himself black pampers. He blacked up by wearing an all-covering black suit that covered his body and face leaving only his lips exposed to create an exaggerated portrayal of a black man with extra large pink lips. I know you say it is about mocking the transactivists who dressed in black clothes and wearing masks, but none of them looked like a blacked-up caricature of a man.

@NotBadConsidering You have misread my posting history. I have talked about this before. I have even given examples of my feminist activism.
I still get called a TRA or a man because I dare to criticise KJK. Anyone who is critical is called the same.

@NotBadConsidering
Oh I know Posie is not trying to be a trade unionist, I would guess she would even be against trade unions eh? My point is what is the actual point of Posie ? She isn't speaking for me or any working class women who are struggling who are my friends or colleagues. The gender and self id issues - WPUK and Labour Women's Declaration speaks for that , my Scottish sisters have For Women Scotland . We have had for many years women like Ruth and Kiri in WPUK in trade unions all over the country fighting for us to pay rises and better conditions, so important now with yhe cost of living crisis. But Posie tries to turn is away from the left . Don't get me wrong. We have been badly trated and let down by the left have working class women like myself but we are living a nightmare under the Tories and the worse is yet to come. Not just with the cost of living and energy crisis but with gender ideology ; under the Tories, women in prison have been raped by trans women , wee girls have been raped by trans women in toilets and we have that shit show of a an Appendix under the NHS that means women's safety and privacy are tossed aside whilst unwell in hospital. What the fuck are the right doing about that? But Posie is not really into just your average Tory is she ? Because whoops a daisy, up pops another white nationalist alt right just like that associating with her .
Not to much to ask of Kelly that she doesn't have fascists alt right around . The least she could do. But she won't.
I wonder why ?

Does it ever make you think about whether you’re aligning with fascists when you agree with them that you don’t think the Earth is flat? Or that the sky is blue?
Thinking that the earth is flat or the sky is blue has nothing to do with rights though, so no, not comparable

So it’s only “aligning” if you share a belief with fascists that lead so some form of right bring provided?

Okay.

Fascists believe access to clean drinking water is a right. Do you align with them?

You are clearly stirring. You seem aligned to mad men in masks who like attacking women.

KJK first discovered that coercive speech was expected in regard to gender identity ideology in a Facebook group called Amazing Lefty Women.

There will usually be some dodgy blokes showing up at any protest wanting to push their own agenda or agitate to get things to kick off because a violent riot is their idea of fun. Agents provocateurs are also a well known tactic.

The desire for woman to have single sex spaces where needed, children to have access to mental health resources that work with them to understand their issues, and correct language being used when describing woman and woman only healtchare is not extreme.

I would argue its left wing (even if Labour haven't realised it) or moderate right wing.

So why are so many so keen to bring extremists to the table?

You lose the mainstream when extremists are involved.

KJK has a lot going for her. But she is courting the far right. In

What's your opinion about the TRA gleefully throwing glitter at a black woman's dreadlocks?

I have been shocked at the racism that seems acceptable to the TRA's just to further their own cause.

I would argue its left wing (even if Labour haven't realised it) or moderate right wing

It's neither. None of those things are a political stance, in that traditional sense. They’re normal social expectations. But it’s been made into a political issue by the Left saying anyone who is requesting those things must be a fascist.

It's not the left who have said gender critical woman are fascists. It's some very loud extremists who are drowning out the voices of those who are moderate and getting themselves into positions where they can drive policy (e.g. trade unions).

I don't for a minute believe that the majority of Labour supporters have views vastly different from mine.

In the meantime, whilst they are still controlled by TRAs, the moderate fight that woman are having is being taken over by far right extremist men.

Thats quite obviously untrue

In the meantime, whilst they are still controlled by TRAs, the moderate fight that woman are having is being taken over by far right extremist men.

Do you really believe that? Men are taking over? Couple of men show up at a meeting and they have taken over? Women are so ineffective and in need of male managers that a couple of random blokes in the vicinity means we sit down and say thanks, a man's in charge.

In your desperation to smear Posie your extreme sexism is given full reign.

All that happens is everyone says they can't see the racism

its the absolutes that i have a problem with, posters did absolutely say that they could see it was racist or that it could be considered racist

if you said most or the majority it would be much harder to dispute