sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

Classy.

Oh Dear @ImNotGreta …that poster was YOU! And ooops what a lie, you did not say “riding on coat tails” in your homophobic post as to why a teenager shouldn’t be allowed to go to Pride:

“ImNotGreta · Today 00:20
Removing age boundaries has always been a big part of the “+” part of LGBT+, and still is.

Some people not only want to expose children to adult fetishes as early as they can, they also want to encourage them to delay puberty, keeping them child-like up to and beyond the age of consent.

They’ll then label as prudish anyone who is concerned by this.”

So, pedophilia has “always been a big part of the + in LGBT and still is”
The “some people” are obviously you referring to “pedophiles” (which you’ve admitted to)

How is it not homophobia to accuse the LGB+ community as knowingly having pedophiles as part of it and doing the sick conspiracy theory you accuse the LGB community of doing by having Pride? The “removing age boundaries” , the “expose children to adult fetishes as early as they can”, the “delay puberty, keeping them child like up to and beyond the age of consent”

would be nice if she invited Posie too - gosh remember when people used to talk through their differences

You’re the one associating with PP and defending the indefensible. The egg will be on your face in the end. At least you can’t say you weren’t warned about PP.

am I?

I’m just some rando on the internet: I’ve never met Posie or even been in the same town as her as far as I know.

I posted the wrong link earlier - there are shit tons of the bloody things, all much like this one, a random TRA smearing Posie and trying to shame the rest of us into denouncing her, and us all resisting the purity spiral, because guilt by tenuous association isn’t actually a thing and most of us disagree with some of Posie’s utterances (I suspect Posie sometimes says things off the cuff she actually disagrees with herself on reflection) but your nonsense hyperbole that Posie will somehow single handedly usher in a new fascist era because she spoke to some right winger or stood next to an unremarkable, anonymous looking man who owns a wrongthink blog on the back end of internet nowhere is so absurd I wonder if you actually believe it or if it’s just a big ol’ troll?

Here’s the thread where BLM distanced themselves from the protestors who verbally attacked Posie:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4011747-Black-Lives-Matter-distance-themselves-from-activists-who-attacked-women-at-Speakers-Corner

here’s another video:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3U-TbDFEpc

there was a discussion on Ovarit too but I don’t think I can link to another forum on this forum.

The Ovarit thread is called ‘Gender Critical discussion at Speaker's Corner (London) this afternoon’

posted 2 years ago by CatherineEarnshaw65 in GenderCritical

here’s an article in French: 45secondes.fr/des-militants-critiques-pour-le-genre-se-moquent-des-manifestants-de-black-lives-matter-dans-une-video-virale/

(I don’t remember much from my 30 year old French GCSE so I don’t know if it’s a positive, negative or neutral take)

Anyway, that’s pretty much all Google gives me, apart from Penis News, so I figured I’d leave it and let you bring that one to the party. Wouldn’t want you to suffer the social embarrassment of turning up empty handed.

Again.

No, she deleted it because of the valid criticism that hit the internet after people were rightly shocked by what she said. I saw the original video, it wasn’t a joke. If it was clearly not serious, why did PP delete it? She only needed to make a clip and post it with a “hey see the truth, it’s obvious it was a joke” but she couldn’t do that, because it wasn’t a joke. Only people with things to hide delete stuff. So she deleted it to hide the truth and set about rewriting history.

I’ll type this slowly for you. The “+” bit is not L,G, or B, so not homosexual. Complaining about them (and in this I include you) is not homophobic, as it is not referring to anyone who is homosexual.

These people (and this includes you) are riding on the coat tails of homosexuals and bisexuals to try to normalise problematic behaviours.

Are you not one of those who thinks children should be allowed to take puberty blockers, so that they keep a child- like body up to the age of consent?

If so, I very much see what you are doing.

@TheClogLady
your nonsense hyperbole that Posie will somehow single handedly usher in a new fascist era because she spoke to some right winger or stood next to an unremarkable, anonymous looking man who owns a wrongthink blog on the back end of internet nowhere is so absurd

Er, that’s your bit o hyperbolic fiction up there. I’ve not even said the word “fascist” or even anything remotely like this. Funny you accuse me of lying, and then you go on to make up shit about me to suit your narrative, I think it’s pretty clear who is the liar here.

@Discovereads I saw it too. I had a different interpretation to you. See what I mean about different people having different responses to what they see/hear. I'm not surprised she took it down. Anyway, this converation is futile - he said/she said. You simply seem intent on smearing a women's rights activist. Odd on a feminist forum.

Wow. Two sources that say Discovereads is a Fox Eater! I wonder if Discovereads can supply any sources that prove that Discovereads isn’t a Fox Eater? I doubt it!

(And now The Fox Eater is force teaming the L and the female B and the perfectly decent, non paedo G with Peter Tatchell and his chums at PIE, but as some sort of defence against accusations of paedos hiding under the ‘+’? That’s one hell of a weird defensive strategy 😱)

You’re saying we include pedophiles in our community as part of our community. You’re saying that our Pride is for the express purpose of grooming children for our pedophile members (that’s what “+” has always meant according to you) and that’s not homophobic?!

You’re saying Pride is full of pedophiles…included in, welcomed by and enabled by the LGBT+ community.

Its no different from saying er, no mosque in my town please because there will be terrorists…that’s Islamaphobia.

You’re saying, no teen girl should go to Pride because.,,pedophiles. Yes that’s homophobia. You’re afraid a gay, lesbian, bi, trans, queer event will be crawling with pedophiles. That’s the definition of homophobia,

Anyway, I’m done with this fucking derail.

It's funny how people get soooooo aerated about Posie. I think it's just because she is braver than they are, and has better ideas. I mean, she's an absolute tactical genius. She was the one who got the dictionary definition of 'woman' to become a meme. She's going to stand for election against Eddie Izzard. She's just a genius at publicity and campaigning. And it's clear when you listen to her talk that it's all driven by wanting safety for women and children.

I think part of what pisses the feminists off is that PP doesn't call herself a feminist. I'm not a feminist either, and when I say that on MN I always get a lot of angry/patronising responses telling me I am really or that if I'm really not I must be a misogynist. So I think it's partly that narrow-mindedness.

But mostly I think it's jealousy and snobbery, sorry to say.

I’m taking the piss out of you, mate. Lighten up! You don’t really eat foxes do you? For fucks sake.

But, seeing as you have now stated that you are most definitely not accusing Posie of cosying up to fascists, what exactly are you warning us about Posie when you say this (copy and paste)

You’re the one associating with PP and defending the indefensible. The egg will be on your face in the end. At least you can’t say you weren’t warned about PP.

what exactly is ‘the indefensible’? What exactly are you warning us about Posie Parker? Because if it’s not fascism, what is it? Being a bit shouty on a step ladder? Having the temerity to run a small businesses, registered with companies house? Marrying a man with a posh job who bought his family a big house?

whatever it is you are warning us about, you really should provide receipts. You know, to protect yourself against a defamation claim?

It’s not odd to question the character of those who wish to be leaders of we feminists. Especially a so called leader that has widely stated she is happy to sacrifice our abortion rights on the altar of her anti-trans cause. Frankly, if it came down to one or the other, I’d rather have the abortion rights being the mum of two young women. I don’t want the U.K. to go the way of say Texas.

And of course, it’s not odd to question the necessity, wisdom and morality of collaborating with racist white supremacists and the far right either….better feminists than I have questioned this too and stated why they’re not part of stand up for women any more. And sorry, but I draw a line there too.

And her behaviours haven’t covered her in glory either. That’s before we even get to her questionable business practices. It’s a big deal to have your business (with you as sole director and employee) compulsorily struck off and forced to dissolve by the Companies House.

I don't like Posie and to be fair, I would suspect she would not like me.

Doesn't stop me thinking she is right on this subject.

As her video says, she will work with whomever to prevent further harm to children. If you are honest with yourself and found yourself in a situation where you can bring water to children whom are dying of thirst but you have to work with someone who thinks Hitler was right, would you:

A) Work with the Hitler supporter.
or
B) Let the children die of thirst.

You might say that is a stupid comparison and situation - fine - but if you would work with the Hitler supporter then it is just a case of fine lines. Working with the Hitler supporter is fine under X conditions but not Y conditions. If you would never work with the Hitler supporter even to stop children dying, then I cannot empathise with you.

Personally, I think the harms being done to children FAR outweigh almost every other concern, perhaps you are able to accept the harm to children as a lesser evil than supporting someone who has gone out of the trench into no mans land and suffered harms and constant threats and yet been successful at raising the issue, more so than anyone else I can think of.
She has more balls than all the TRAs combined... in my view ... and for the sake of the children I wish her every success. Doesn't mean I like her... doesn't mean I think she would like me.

Lol. I’m not worried about defamation. As I said everything I have reported about PP is publicly available and widely acknowledged.

Have another read of my posts if you really haven’t a clue as to the ethics problems with PP leading or representing any feminist movement.

Why won’t you just answer my question?

I haven’t got a fucking scooby doo about what you are ‘warning’ us about from your previous posts. That’s WHY I’m asking you directly:

A failed business isn’t a criminal offence, if you are making allegations that Posie is involved in criminal activity make them to the police, not mumsnet. Otherwise it’s just unsubstantiated rumour spreading.

and spreading gossip isn’t a feminist action.

So this is really where I know you don't regularly listen to the flow of what she says.

She doesn't claim feminism, because she feels LibFem has let her and women in general down. So isn't wishing to be a leader of us feminists.

She hasn't ever stated that she is happy to sacrifice abortion rights.

The charge of collaborating with racist white supremacists and the far right is a serious one, that you need to provide evidence for. The feminists who have queried her failure to draw political lines in a single issue debate have no evidence of collaboration that I know about.

I think it is really quite odd that you've been researching her on Companies House though. WTF?

Well by your measure of guilt by association being a thing. Anne tories out Coates and Owen Jones are retweeting Dituns message. doesn't that now make her a tra, colluding with misogynists and women haters?.. I got that right now haven't I? That's how this works isn't it? Should we now cast Sarah out from the feminist fold?

PP rather famously doesn't call herself a feminist.

I thought you'd seen her videos?

Seen them? That seems unlikely, or else he’d be able to back up the lies with some links.

I think it has become obvious that Discovereads "information" is on the basis of hearsay rather than being really, personally and directly informed on the subject in question.

I think you’ve got it backwards.

This surely means Owen Jones and Anne Coates are now dirty, dirty TERFs and must be accosted by bluehairs with tambourines forthwith?

REPENT MOTHERFUCKERS!

It was a wind up.

Ah ok. An advanced search of certain other vocal posters on this thread is illuminating too.

Oh! Bliss! I am laughing merrily at the thought!!!

Thank you for educating me. I just cant keep up with the current groupthink