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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Carly-May Kavanagh

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NitroNine · 23/09/2022 00:46

There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

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RhannionKPSS · 23/09/2022 20:18

I think CMK comes from the same mind set as Angela Rayner who called people who voted Tory “ Scum” not a good look for any political activist or MP for that matter.

Hepwo · 23/09/2022 20:23

The Brighton faction whose nose is massively out of joint over this event on the basis that it wasn't theirs, have been promoting this right wing woman non stop on Twitter for a couple of weeks now.

Her presence barely registered on the day.

Odd behaviour. They claim not to want to platform her and yet in order to criticize the event they have tweeted 100s of times about her. It's definitely got the better of them.

That's Brighton for you.

RhannionKPSS · 23/09/2022 20:25

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 23/09/2022 15:36

I know he's not liked on here but Peter Tatchell in his day, was brave enough to shout at real Fascists, and suffered physical injury from doing so.

Mind you babies, dangerous, they might projectile vomit in response.

” Not liked on here” That’s an understatement, WTF that man is disgusting pervert. What planet are you on?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 23/09/2022 20:26

have been promoting this right wing woman non stop on Twitter for a couple of weeks now

what right wing woman

WildIris · 23/09/2022 20:28

I see Sarah Ditum is now having a normal one!

Hepwo · 23/09/2022 20:30

You will have to ask the feminists who want her denouncing who she is, as they are the ones promoting her on Twitter Rufus.

I can't actually remember her name, she came and went in minutes and it was very noisy.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 23/09/2022 20:43

Thanks for answering hep

Thelnebriati · 23/09/2022 20:48

Helen Saxby is now moaning online because a "right wing" had a camera filming her speaking. Helen clearly wasn't bothered enough at the time to question the person in front of her with a camera,

I expect Helen assumed anyone filming was part of the event. I would have.

FOJN · 23/09/2022 20:49

The medium article is just more of the same old, same old. Women berated for refusing to remain loyal to the left.

Its like being vilified for leaving an abusive partner and then called a whore because men you have no interest in try to flirt with you.

We get it, the left fucking hate women, they hate women with opinions even more and they wish death to women who won't be shamed back into line.

Whatever...

TheBeardedVulture · 23/09/2022 20:58

"I have watched with increasing dismay as large chunks of the now so called gender critical movement have broken off into a mass, populist affair, in thrall to the cult of personality and ready to bat eyes at anyone offering crumbs of attention. Racists, anti-abortionists, religious fundamentalists, thugs: all are welcome so long as they are prepared to adhere to the one and only principle. So called allies can spew bile about immigrants and single mothers all day long so long as they are prepared to say men aren’t women.”

The forced imposition of Trans ideology effects women from all walks of life.

Including (gasp!) racists, anti-abortionists, and religious fundamentalists. They are people who have children they don’t want brainwashed as well, they have boundaries, they also need rape crisis centres and domestic violence shelters and single sex wards. Whether left wing feminists like it or not, these are people that also have opinions on this matter and they’re allowed to be heard too. No-platforming and denouncing people for having the wrong opinions is largely how we got into this mess in the first fucking place. Honestly it is authoritarian bullshit like this that is turning people away from the left in droves.

I’ve also yet to hear an explanation as to how, at an open air event where anyone can turn up, you are supposed to stop people from attending whose politics and opinions you find abhorrent. And also where do you draw the line?

If this effects all women, then why are only women in academia and left wing politics and trade unionism the only people allowed to be activists.

I also think it’s hilarious that a bunch of alleged racist thugs who rocked up on the day, that nobody knew from Adam, managed to conduct themselves like civilised human beings in public but the Right Side of History(TM) gang screamed abuse at a man and an infant, had 3 of their number arrested (one of whom had a bag of knives) and threw a bunch of glitter into a black woman’s hair.

ScreamingMeMe · 23/09/2022 21:13

WildIris · 23/09/2022 20:28

I see Sarah Ditum is now having a normal one!

Again?

TheClogLady · 23/09/2022 21:17

I also think it’s hilarious that a bunch of alleged racist thugs who rocked up on the day, that nobody knew from Adam, managed to conduct themselves like civilised human beings in public but the Right Side of History(TM) gang screamed abuse at a man and an infant, had 3 of their number arrested (one of whom had a bag of knives) and threw a bunch of glitter into a black woman’s hair.

It’s absolutely fucking wild isn’t it?

The sad fact is that almost anyone with any sense who was once on the left is now politically homeless. There are a few hardcore, life long Labour and trade union activists hanging on in there desperately hoping to achieve change from the inside but it’s getting to the point that even if the Labour leadership suddenly and emphatically recognised material reality, electoral credibility has long left the building and the party is an embarrassing husk in the eyes of most of the electorate.

I’m not voting for anyone who doesn’t have the gonads to stand up to a bunch of lunatics in lipstick smeared balaclavas.

I predict yet another win for the Tories but with the lowest overall turn out for a GE in living memory. With a higher than average percentage of spoiled ballots.

It’s like having to choose cat shit or dog shit…

…for dinner!

SapphosRock · 23/09/2022 21:19

We get it, the left fucking hate women, they hate women with opinions even more and they wish death to women who won't be shamed back into line.

Erm no. The left hate racism and fascism and will therefore avoid events that welcome and are attended by racists and fascists. Even if they agree with the event organiser on a different issue.

ArabellaScott · 23/09/2022 21:30

RhannionKPSS · 23/09/2022 20:25

” Not liked on here” That’s an understatement, WTF that man is disgusting pervert. What planet are you on?

I agree that Tatchell has in the past made some very bold and brave protests. While also remaining aware of some of the appalling things he's said.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/09/2022 21:30

TinselAngel · 23/09/2022 15:19

I mean how are we ever going to persuade anybody outside our own bubble, if people outside of it shouldn't even be allowed to turn up and listen? Osmosis?

Well, yes!

TheClogLady · 23/09/2022 21:35

SapphosRock · 23/09/2022 21:19

We get it, the left fucking hate women, they hate women with opinions even more and they wish death to women who won't be shamed back into line.

Erm no. The left hate racism and fascism and will therefore avoid events that welcome and are attended by racists and fascists. Even if they agree with the event organiser on a different issue.

If the left truly hate racism and fascism they would cease behaving like racist authoritarians.

IcakethereforeIam · 23/09/2022 21:38

I'll paraphrase a tweet under the Sarah Ditum tweet.

Don't like KJK! Who else is stepping up?

That's actually a serious question. I know a Julie got deplatformed from a library so did her talk in the carpark but who else has the visibility Posie has created? Despite the msm putting its metaphorical fingers in its metaphorical ears.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/09/2022 21:40

Datun · 23/09/2022 16:34

So, once you remove the smoke bombers, the baby shouters and the masked intimidators, you're only left with what?

People who think lesbians have penises, that homosexuality is bigoted, and that women have no right to privacy from the opposite sex.

Absolutely!

FOJN · 23/09/2022 21:46

SapphosRock · 23/09/2022 21:19

We get it, the left fucking hate women, they hate women with opinions even more and they wish death to women who won't be shamed back into line.

Erm no. The left hate racism and fascism and will therefore avoid events that welcome and are attended by racists and fascists. Even if they agree with the event organiser on a different issue.

Erm the left were there, dressed like terrorists, throwing smoke bombs, getting arrested and screaming at babies. Perhaps what you mean is the "real" feminists of Brighton wouldn't participate in an event which would have required them to behave like civilised adults towards people they disagree with.

Hats off to the women who still think left wing parties are worth the effort but try to stop judging (I know it will be hard, it's become an addictive habit) those of us who have left the abusive relationship.

TheBiologyStupid · 23/09/2022 21:49

SapphosRock · 23/09/2022 16:44

So, once you remove the smoke bombers, the baby shouters and the masked intimidators, you're only left with what? People who think lesbians have penises, that homosexuality is bigoted, and that women have no right to privacy from the opposite sex.

Welcome to Brighton.

Very welcome to it. Sounds toxic.

littlbrowndog · 23/09/2022 21:50

FOJN · 23/09/2022 21:46

Erm the left were there, dressed like terrorists, throwing smoke bombs, getting arrested and screaming at babies. Perhaps what you mean is the "real" feminists of Brighton wouldn't participate in an event which would have required them to behave like civilised adults towards people they disagree with.

Hats off to the women who still think left wing parties are worth the effort but try to stop judging (I know it will be hard, it's become an addictive habit) those of us who have left the abusive relationship.

Yep. And Sarah ditum. Her slurs so offensive

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 23/09/2022 21:51

The left don’t all think the same way the same as the right don’t all think the same and us poor fuckers stuck in the middle don’t all think the same

PronounssheRa · 23/09/2022 21:57

I don't get what Sarah ditum is trying to achieve. Her tweet reeks of snobbery and reinforces the view some people have that feminist on the left just doesn't represent them. Just read the responses to her tweet.

ArabellaScott · 23/09/2022 21:57

The thing is that some feminists can denounce other women, but it isn't actually going to stop other women from talking about all this, is it?

There are too many of us to fit us all in one neat box. All backgrounds, all cultures.

Birdsweepsin · 23/09/2022 22:00

Lib Dems are standing up for LGB minus the Tplus

www.lgbliberalforum.org.uk/

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