What rights don't transpeople have?

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It's a question I have seen asked many times and it is rarely answered. When it is its usually a list of things that are not "rights" or a list of rights/demands not held by anyone else.

It appears Katie M has provided a list of Countries with each trans right they don't provide. KM has also provided source links however many just link to a chart with dots indicating the "trans right" that country doesn't have. No explanation as to why.
For example:

Albania - No legal name change at all.

Quick look and it turns out in Albania nobody can legally change their name. Anyone can socially change their name and change it on their passport and driving licence but nobody can change their BC. So this is not a right others have and trans are denied as implied by KM it is in fact the same rule for all.

While Albania like many countries is behind on LGB support/rights it appears that the lack of rights transpeople do not have are the same rights those who are LGB are also denied yet it seems only the fact that transpeople don't have them is what matters.

The list for each country is very much the same for those countries that share a geographical location/religion/culture and so the sources linked appear to be the same dot chart I mentioned earlier.

The UK list is interesting.

No legal gender recognition without mental health diagnosis. This only applies to changing your BC and the person must have medical support to state they have/had gender dysphoria. Nobody else in the UK has the right to change their BC

No legal gender recognition without spousal consent. This is so that spouses are not forced to be in a now same sex marriage without their consent once the transperson has changed their BC. Transpeople appear to want to remove the consent of others in a legally binding contract which marriage is

No legal ban on conversion therapy. The Conversion therapy ban in the UK is made up of 3 existing Acts. Sexual offences Act 2003. Criminal justice Act 1988 and the offences against person Act 1861. This covers all physical acts and medication abuse used in order to "convert a person's sexual orientation or gender identity". What the trans movement want is affectively counselling of transpeople banned. This means no transperson could seek therapy if they have feelings of GD or confusion around their gender. That is not a right.

No legal parenthood recognition. Any male or female who parents a child has the right to be legally recognised as either their mother or father dependingon the persons sex. Legally in the UK if you are the biological or adoptive parent you are legally recognised as mother if female and father if male. That right applies to all including transpeople.

No legal right to religious marriage. In the UK no religious organisation can be compelled to marry same sex couples so this is a right LGB people do not have also so why does it only matter for transpeople?

No practical access to trans healthcare. This is just a lie. Transpeople have the same access to healthcare as anyone else in the UK. What the source linked discusses is that some transpeople when polled stated they felt prejudice from some healthcare professionals which "put them off" seeking healthcare. While this prejudice is wrong it is sadly experienced by many different people due to their culture/racce/religion/sexual orientation. Transpeople have the same RIGHT to access healthcare un the UK as anyone else

I havent gone through the whole list but looking at certain countries the rights trans people claim not to have are either the same for all trans or not, women do not have those rights either or those in the LGB community also do not have those rights. It seems to me that the trans Community do not want equal rights or rights for women or those in the wider LGB community they just want trans rights (most of which are not rights) for transpeople only and screw everyone else.

Gender zealots are not known for their honesty and ability to represent issues accurately.

Hasn't KM completely misstated the spousal exit clause? It doesn't stop someone getting a GRC, just means the partner no longer has to remain married to them if they do (i.e. if they choose not to enter into a 'same sex' marriage).

I am guessing that the concept of “trans” rights as separate, additional rights to general human rights which we all share is a corruption of the idea of women’s rights (also children’s rights and disability rights) being separate and additional to human rights. However women’s rights additional to human rights are all based on our reproductive function and the impact that has on our ability to fully realise other human rights. Our reproductive function puts us at a disadvantage in modern society and so we have fought for reasonable adjustments.

For example, rights to employment protections so we can’t be dismissed due to pregnancy, birth, and postnatal recovery/the adjustment to motherhood, rights to health care specific to our female bodies - gynaecology and maternity provision, rights to breastfeed our babies wherever we are lawfully permitted to be and to relieve our discomfort and provide for our babies by pumping at work if our work keeps us from feeding our babies directly, rights to choose not to become a mother, ie contraception and abortion, rights to safety and privacy from men who are physically stronger than us and of whom a proportion are inclined towards sex predation upon us.

These rights are all about biology and bodies.

People identifying as trans could be campaigning for third spaces or third and fourth spaces, for better information on their conditions and the various treatments, for rigorous testing and research into the best treatment for their discomfort with their bodies, I suppose those kind of things could be considered as trans rights. However the activists only seem to be interested in the esoteric and extreme position that their rights consist of forcing all of society to enter into their delusions with them. Clearly that is not a right but a privilege. They seem to want to create a transocracy. There is apparently no interest at all in finding the most effective treatments for gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia which would relieve suffering and enable people to live a life of the best possible physical and mental health.

The twitter thread where KMs list is linked multiple times is under a video of the Trans March in Manchester. It's billed as a pride march but frankly it's all about the T.

The comments by the majority seem to be asking the same question "what rights don't transpeople have in the UK?" The only answer is constant links to the list oh and tagging in of some bot??
The best post was a SS someone posted by Helen S 😁

Every time I look for that I expect to find that a sane person has removed it.

It's legendary.

Dear me. That has left me speechless.

That can't be real.

Hahaha, I have exactly the same process every time I google it. And always a wee sigh of satisfaction to see it remains there in all its glorious myriad of batshittery!

Dear me. That has left me speechless.

Is that for fucking real?

It is 100% real, yes.

Is that for fucking real?

It appears the group had an online existence on Twitter but last posted 2018.

Do you think even the most supportive TRAs read that and backed away from that group?

So on the one hand, trans people demand the right to change their legal documents without a medical diagnosis but they also want access to trans healthcare?

I'm also guessing that they're not waiving their right to sue when their experiments and self medication goes wrong?

This. Monty has one agenda and doesn't let anything inconvenient, like the truth, get in the way of anything they post.

If you read this, you may recognise the style, but I couldn't possibly comment..

harryjosiegiles.medium.com/wages-for-transition-dce2b246b9b7

Same as anybody really

I think most of them just want the right to live their life without a load of people criticising them and making them out to be truly awful people.

I guess women who believe in the importance of biological sex also want that.

I guess women who believe in the importance of biological sex also want that.

Particularly lesbians, such as at the Pride march the other day.

They'd love to be lesbians without a load of people criticising them and making them out to be truly awful people.

Yes I am sure they do.

But if the do it without consideration for woman, then they are not decent people.

What decent trans woman would go to a womens only session at a pool, knowing that many of the woman will have to self exclude if they are there.

Which decent trans woman would go to a womens only rape crisis centre knowing that there were trans inclusive groups available?

The list is endless.

We need to find a way of co-existing, but that cannot be at the expense of women.

Interesting - obviously this thread is about legal rights. Do you genuinely think it should be illegal to criticise a person?
Or did you mean "discriminate against them for having protected characteristics" (which is already illegal). Or I guess you could say 'making them out to be awful' is libel - which is also a large section of current law.

Can you articulate what legal right you are attempting to describe, or was it just a lazy, non-engaging odd sort of drive-by crack?

I think the extremes at both ends of this debate are as bad as each other.

Can you elaborate as to why women standing up for their own established rights makes them 'as bad' as a group trying to take rights away from others?

Very interested in your view on this.

I would just say though, I think the extremes at both ends of this debate are as bad as each other.

What is the extreme feminist position, do you think? And I frankly doubt it's as bad as sending rape and death threats to women and making bomb threats to stop them from meeting, or setting off smoke bombs next to Grenfell Tower 🤷‍♀️