Page 7 | Nick Cohen suspended over trans rights row

WontonJulie · 2022-08-03T07:38:03+00:00

I see a certain so-called 'campaiging lawyer' has managed to get Nick Cohen suspended because of his gender critical views. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/02/star-observer-columnist-suspended-trans-rights-row/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2022 23:21

isn't it depressing that if you merely ask for evidence of predation, a lot of the time you're just going to get it

It really is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2022 23:23

I’ve seen many posts be deleted from posters I recognise and they seem to still be posting.

Not so easy to be holier than thou when your posts also keep getting deleted though, is it.

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 09:29

@Ereshkigalangcleg I’m not being holier than thou, I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy and bullying as well as the blatant transphobia in this thread too. You believe me to be holier than thou because you don’t like to be criticised for your actions, referring to other posters as ploppers, using sexist language like flouncing (which blows my mind as it clearly feeds into the rhetoric you are meant to be fighting against), laughing when I said the thread would be deleted, referring to me as a five-year old - I find it supremely interesting that a group of women who are meant to support women are then being horrific to a woman who was simply asking you not to bully other people - in fact, considering your entire rhetoric is apparently centred around women it makes even less sense, as does this post which I’m sure you can agree completely decentres your argument as it very obviously has an agenda. As previously mentioned you are to your GC views, it doesn’t mean that you will continuously get away with inappropriate behaviour and it won’t be called out. If my post was inappropriate for this thread because it mentioned the other thread or was deemed to personal, then I’ll will also the deletion on the chin, but you should do the same.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2022 09:41

Yes, and you've also been called out for your poor behaviour. I'm not going to indulge it further.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/08/2022 09:43

You know what I love?

paragraphs

the enter key is right there people

Mysterioso · 04/08/2022 09:51

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 09:29

@Ereshkigalangcleg I’m not being holier than thou, I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy and bullying as well as the blatant transphobia in this thread too. You believe me to be holier than thou because you don’t like to be criticised for your actions, referring to other posters as ploppers, using sexist language like flouncing (which blows my mind as it clearly feeds into the rhetoric you are meant to be fighting against), laughing when I said the thread would be deleted, referring to me as a five-year old - I find it supremely interesting that a group of women who are meant to support women are then being horrific to a woman who was simply asking you not to bully other people - in fact, considering your entire rhetoric is apparently centred around women it makes even less sense, as does this post which I’m sure you can agree completely decentres your argument as it very obviously has an agenda. As previously mentioned you are to your GC views, it doesn’t mean that you will continuously get away with inappropriate behaviour and it won’t be called out. If my post was inappropriate for this thread because it mentioned the other thread or was deemed to personal, then I’ll will also the deletion on the chin, but you should do the same.

Erm this is FWR... I always expect to have my arse handed to me on a plate if I talk shit...

You are in the wrong place if you expect your feelings to be spared because you talked shit which sounds nice. Or you want the women on here to do what you said because you asked them to.

And I'm keeping plopping and flounce!

Stop hiding behind words like bullying, inappropriate behaviour and blatant transphobia. Reminds me of those maths demos which had obvious steps which took 3 more blackboards to prove once the teacher was challenged... if something is bugging you spit it out explicitly.

RoyalCorgi · 04/08/2022 09:53

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 09:29

@Ereshkigalangcleg I’m not being holier than thou, I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy and bullying as well as the blatant transphobia in this thread too. You believe me to be holier than thou because you don’t like to be criticised for your actions, referring to other posters as ploppers, using sexist language like flouncing (which blows my mind as it clearly feeds into the rhetoric you are meant to be fighting against), laughing when I said the thread would be deleted, referring to me as a five-year old - I find it supremely interesting that a group of women who are meant to support women are then being horrific to a woman who was simply asking you not to bully other people - in fact, considering your entire rhetoric is apparently centred around women it makes even less sense, as does this post which I’m sure you can agree completely decentres your argument as it very obviously has an agenda. As previously mentioned you are to your GC views, it doesn’t mean that you will continuously get away with inappropriate behaviour and it won’t be called out. If my post was inappropriate for this thread because it mentioned the other thread or was deemed to personal, then I’ll will also the deletion on the chin, but you should do the same.

Chat shit, get banged.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2022 09:54

Nicely succinct

Datun · 04/08/2022 10:19

Chat shit, get banged.

Quite.

itsabouttimetoo, maybe stop chatting shit, and then you won't get deleted?

You also might want to check out flouncer's corner to get up to speed on the phraseology of this site.

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 10:40

When was 'flouncing' sexist? As far as I remember, it is not a word used to denigrate or harm women like 'hysteria' has been. It is a word to describe an overly dramatic action done by either sex.

Maybe it is a cultural thing that I am not aware of, and I will be happily corrected.

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 10:49

Stop hiding behind words like bullying, inappropriate behaviour and blatant transphobia.

Yes. Please do stop this. I have read your posts over at least two threads. You have personally attacking people directly and have a habit of making negative generalisations which is bullying behaviour.

Yet, you make the statement I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy and bullying as well as the blatant transphobia in this thread too.

Perhaps if you engaged with the content posted instead of policing it, then you would actually have an impact if your arguments are convincing. MN FWR is actually not a 'hive mind' and it is not an echo chamber despite many posters attempts to paint it as such (usually using arguments from their own siloed discussions on other platforms).

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:11

If my post was inappropriate for this thread because it mentioned the other thread or was deemed to personal, then I’ll will also the deletion on the chin, but you should do the same.

Many people posting on the threads that you have been on are very experienced with taking deletions 'on the chin'.

I expect that you have the self awareness to realise the issue with that remark. Or do you normally burst onto social media platforms and educate or school people on their behaviour, when those who are very experienced with the platform are fully aware what behaviour is allowed or not?

Usually because they too have been deleted, had strikes issues and threatened banning for not following the guidelines set by the site's owners.

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:14

You are entitled to your views - I am entitled to mine. Your behaviour is bullying whether you would like to see it as that or not, I’m using words appropriate to the situation and @Helleofabore if you don’t know the history of sexism behind flounce then I encourage you to use Google. Unlike other “ploppers” I’m not going to be scared off a thread by gang mentality, or phrases like “chat shit, get banged” - I very much doubt you would say that to my face in real life.

I have engaged with the content, you don’t like the way I’ve engaged, fair enough, you don’t have to like everything I do, but this board is for everyone, it’s not specifically a board for GC views although you would like to believe it is.

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:20

you don’t like the way I’ve engaged

No. MNHQ don't like the way you have engaged.

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:25

but this board is for everyone

Yes. We know.

We have a very detailed knowledge on the history of this board and how it was created and for what purpose. We are very grateful that it is available to everyone.

it’s not specifically a board for GC views although you would like to believe it is

No one, who has any history with this board, believes it is a board for 'GC views'. You can keep repeating your claim in any different way, but it does not make it true at all.

If it was 'only for GC views', well, that would make it the 'echo chamber' that other posters constantly accuse us of.

Datun · 04/08/2022 11:26

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:14

You are entitled to your views - I am entitled to mine. Your behaviour is bullying whether you would like to see it as that or not, I’m using words appropriate to the situation and @Helleofabore if you don’t know the history of sexism behind flounce then I encourage you to use Google. Unlike other “ploppers” I’m not going to be scared off a thread by gang mentality, or phrases like “chat shit, get banged” - I very much doubt you would say that to my face in real life.

I have engaged with the content, you don’t like the way I’ve engaged, fair enough, you don’t have to like everything I do, but this board is for everyone, it’s not specifically a board for GC views although you would like to believe it is.

You're entitled to your views.

And in doing so you can attack people and tell untruths. But expect to get deleted and banned.

AlisonDonut · 04/08/2022 11:27

I love the way you behave @itsabouttimetoo as it allows us to patiently explain how wrong you are.

Your performance posting for Twitter shots is formidable. I'm sure they all pat you on the head each time you go back and show them how good you have been.

But it does appear that you are consistently breaking the guidelines on here so I invite you to read up on them before you get deleted yet again.

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:29

@Helleofabore yes posters on this thread or others do seem to have experience with deletion, and reading through the other threads, deletion was met with accusations of being muted by MNHQ. In fact, this whole conversation started because I stated that the other thread was personally attacking an individual and should be deleted, which was clearly agreed with as it isn’t there anymore.

As mentioned, if my comments were deleted by MNHQ then I will take that, but considering I was being berated on the other thread for attacking professional women or not being professional myself, then the thread gets deleted, then the responses on this thread are “chat shit get banged”…you will see where my confusion lies because you yourselves are allowed to use unprofessional language and you also you state that you are here to protect women but then are actually attacking a woman, just because I have different views to you.

If I wanted to write on every thread I could, this space isn’t just for GC views, I read a lot of threads and although for some reason posters think I’m young, I’ve spent a long time examine and critiquing my own ideology and listening to the views of others. As I said, I’m not scared to be metaphorically in a room with posters who don’t have the same views as me, I’m also not scared by attempted to pile ons over the internet, even if you believe I belong somewhere else in my own “echo chamber” as you call it, if you truly believe in your rhetoric of protecting women then you would allow me to exist in yours as well.

Datun · 04/08/2022 11:29

As previously mentioned you are to your GC views, it doesn’t mean that you will continuously get away with inappropriate behaviour and it won’t be called out.

I've just seen this! Says the poster who almost can't post without being deleted!!

Datun · 04/08/2022 11:32

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:29

@Helleofabore yes posters on this thread or others do seem to have experience with deletion, and reading through the other threads, deletion was met with accusations of being muted by MNHQ. In fact, this whole conversation started because I stated that the other thread was personally attacking an individual and should be deleted, which was clearly agreed with as it isn’t there anymore.

As mentioned, if my comments were deleted by MNHQ then I will take that, but considering I was being berated on the other thread for attacking professional women or not being professional myself, then the thread gets deleted, then the responses on this thread are “chat shit get banged”…you will see where my confusion lies because you yourselves are allowed to use unprofessional language and you also you state that you are here to protect women but then are actually attacking a woman, just because I have different views to you.

If I wanted to write on every thread I could, this space isn’t just for GC views, I read a lot of threads and although for some reason posters think I’m young, I’ve spent a long time examine and critiquing my own ideology and listening to the views of others. As I said, I’m not scared to be metaphorically in a room with posters who don’t have the same views as me, I’m also not scared by attempted to pile ons over the internet, even if you believe I belong somewhere else in my own “echo chamber” as you call it, if you truly believe in your rhetoric of protecting women then you would allow me to exist in yours as well.

Sorry to disappoint, but women aren't here to protect people who are fully upfront about posting personal attacks.

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:32

I have engaged with the content

Please post where on this thread you have engaged in any positive way with the substance of the threads purpose.

Starting from this post here:

itsabouttimetoo · Yesterday 12:59
@itsabouttimetoo 2 - 0 😘

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:33

@AlisonDonut twitter shots? Why would I be posting for Twitter shots - please continue to make assumptions about me but there is nothing about having an anonymous thread posted on Twitter that is going to do me any favours in the real word. I was first alerted to the thread being on Twitter by @Ereshkigalangcleg - if it was picked up there then that is not my problem.

I will allow MNHQ to decide whether my posts are problematic. I’m struggling to see the difference between one poster telling me “chat shit get banged” and my posts.

Datun · 04/08/2022 11:34

Anyway, it's really tedious seeing another thread derailed by the febrile protestations of itsabouttimetoo.

Mysterioso · 04/08/2022 11:34

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:14

You are entitled to your views - I am entitled to mine. Your behaviour is bullying whether you would like to see it as that or not, I’m using words appropriate to the situation and @Helleofabore if you don’t know the history of sexism behind flounce then I encourage you to use Google. Unlike other “ploppers” I’m not going to be scared off a thread by gang mentality, or phrases like “chat shit, get banged” - I very much doubt you would say that to my face in real life.

I have engaged with the content, you don’t like the way I’ve engaged, fair enough, you don’t have to like everything I do, but this board is for everyone, it’s not specifically a board for GC views although you would like to believe it is.

In other news, today is Thursday...

"I'm using words appropriate to the situation", is a classic example of lots of words which say absolutely nothing.

You are summarising your own thoughts... with more words than the actual thoughts themselves would have taken to write down!

No one is ganging up on you. everyone is welcome. just don't expect any incoherencies you spew, no matter how kind, to be glossed over.

AlisonDonut · 04/08/2022 11:35

itsabouttimetoo · 04/08/2022 11:33

@AlisonDonut twitter shots? Why would I be posting for Twitter shots - please continue to make assumptions about me but there is nothing about having an anonymous thread posted on Twitter that is going to do me any favours in the real word. I was first alerted to the thread being on Twitter by @Ereshkigalangcleg - if it was picked up there then that is not my problem.

I will allow MNHQ to decide whether my posts are problematic. I’m struggling to see the difference between one poster telling me “chat shit get banged” and my posts.

You will allow it?

Oh right. I'm sure they will note that at their next meeting.