Nick Cohen suspended over trans rights row

[WontonJulie]

I see a certain so-called 'campaiging lawyer' has managed to get Nick Cohen suspended because of his gender critical views.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/02/star-observer-columnist-suspended-trans-rights-row/

[Tanith]

@itsabouttimetoo Since you've included my name and I've said not one word about trans, I think you're just slinging accusations about in the hope that some will stick.

[BernardBlacksWineIcelolly]

It seems that a formal allegation was made against Cohen in 2018, outcome unclear, but there don’t seem to have been any consequences for him

Foxy kimono took against him late last year and gathered some accusations which he forwarded to GMN

and over 6 months later they’ve acted

doesn’t feel like a great environment for women there.

[glomerulus]

@Cornflowerandchicory

Cohen's behaviour was well known at the time. On the night I was assaulted, a colleague of his approached me to explain "that's what he's like."

I was 24, starting out in my career. He was much older and powerful. Reporting him at that point was never an option. I do wonder how many people will feel able to speak out now.

I'm so sorry you went through this, and I hope the investigation hasn't triggered too many difficult memories for you.

[glomerulus]

This thread is really nothing to do with TRAs/GC and it's a shame to see so many views framed that way.

Jolyon Maugham has some horribly misogynist views. He has (rightly) shone a light on what are some pretty substantial allegations against Nick Cohen. I can believe both things to be true.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Jolyon Maugham has some horribly misogynist views. He has (rightly) shone a light on what are some pretty substantial allegations against Nick Cohen. I can believe both things to be true.

Yes, me too.

[ScreechingEchoChamber]

Cornflowerandchicory, I'm so sorry. Hope you're okay.

Agreeing with other posters that all allegations of this type obviously need to be investigated - what also needs to happen is an investigation into the working environment they happen in.

Prhaps it's no accident the Guardian has taken so long to listen to women raising concerns about various issues.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

It seems that a formal allegation was made against Cohen in 2018, outcome unclear, but there don’t seem to have been any consequences for him

It says that the woman who made the complaint was treated very poorly by senior Guardian managers.

[itsabouttimetoo]

@Tanith sorry, you’re right, I’m not sure why I tagged you, I think I meant to tag the OP. Not mudslinging, simply observing

[Secondhand]

This thread is really nothing to do with TRAs

It was The Telegraph that framed it as NC being suspended for his views on trans rights.

[Datun]

@glomerulus

This thread is really nothing to do with TRAs/GC and it's a shame to see so many views framed that way.

Jolyon Maugham has some horribly misogynist views. He has (rightly) shone a light on what are some pretty substantial allegations against Nick Cohen. I can believe both things to be true.

It really doesn't. The opening post is very misleading.

OP, can you change the title?

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Yes I don't agree with that framing but they clearly wanted an angle, and the involvement of Foxy was juicy.

[Hoisin75]

@Datun

It really doesn't. The opening post is very misleading.

OP, can you change the title?

The OP was quoting The Telegraph headline.

[Datun]

@Datun

It really doesn't. The opening post is very misleading.

OP, can you change the title?

Quoting myself. I don't think it's misleading, in as much as that's how the paper reported it. So not your fault, op.

But the framing of it is very biased.

[TullyApplebottom]

Another liar.

[FigRollsAlly]

The Telegraph says that JM put out a call for women to come forward “in the wake of” a row with Cohen about trans issues and that he then put their allegations to the Guardian in late 2021. The way it reads is that JM himself linked the trans issue with his call for women to come forward and that he Tweeted “I’d be very happy to hear from women who have worked with Nick whether he is the champion they would choose for women’s rights in the workplace”. So the inference is that the trans row included workplace issues and JM was accusing Cohen of potential hypocrisy in claiming to stick up for women’s rights. The Telegraph says that JM published claims about Cohen’s behaviour last month as he was unhappy about the way his concerns had been handled thus far.

[Mysterioso]

He's dirty? Investigate him and put him away if deemed appropriate.

But also do away with the one who only kicked off an investigation when it suited him. Second time in a week I've heard TRAs complain about something despite having previously not minded the negative associations in the past.

Sounds like we are going back to the era of blackmail using morality as a hostage.

So modern and progressive 🤔...

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Just a heads up that this thread is being commented on on certain corners of Twitter, like the one that was taken down earlier was. Draw whatever conclusions you feel are appropriate.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The way it reads is that JM himself linked the trans issue with his call for women to come forward and that he Tweeted “I’d be very happy to hear from women who have worked with Nick whether he is the champion they would choose for women’s rights in the workplace”. So the inference is that the trans row included workplace issues and JM was accusing Cohen of potential hypocrisy in claiming to stick up for women’s rights.

Yes that is how it reads. I don't know how true that is but I think the JM tweet was remarked on at the time.

[socoldthenight]

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Just a heads up that this thread is being commented on on certain corners of Twitter, like the one that was taken down earlier was. Draw whatever conclusions you feel are appropriate.

Pretty much every thread on here is screenshotted for twitter

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[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Yes, with a fair amount of spin.

[Datun]

Well, if it leads anyone here, they will see that almost all itsabouttimetoo's posts have been deleted.

can't say I'm surprised.

[Helleofabore]

Remarkable to see the spin on twitter.

I have not seen one poster on here not support a full investigation of these claims. To spin it as ‘ the MN feminists supporting women’s abuse’ is very dishonest. But hey, we have seen the same false accusations here on this thread.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

My full quote, not as part of a screenshot, about my own experiences as a young woman and junior member of staff being sexually assaulted and harassed by powerful men in the workplace in 2001:

Not to deny or diminish the accusations against him, but knowing what working life was like for young women in 2001, I doubt he was the only one doing it. But it's a very good thing if the whole male culture of these workplaces gets exposed and anyone responsible faces consequences.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Well, if it leads anyone here, they will see that almost all itsabouttimetoo's posts have been deleted.

can't say I'm surprised.

Me neither.

[NoHateOnlyDebate]

@HighTides

knowing what working life was like for young women in 2001, I doubt he was the only one doing it

This. The whole thing feels like a bit of a witch hunt from the kimono wearer.

So, because multiple people were doing it, that lessens how bad it was? This is a rediculous argument, and it's insulting to all of the survivors. People owned slaves long ago, that doesn't make it okay, or a witch hunt, they were wrong to own slaves then, just as it is now.

Jesus wept.