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Harry miller arrested

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chilling19 · 28/07/2022 22:16

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2022 16:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 16:10

Yesterday, when the group Standing for Women tried to assemble at Victoria Square in Leeds to discuss the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act (2004) (GRA) their meeting was broken-up by the police. Three of the sixteen women were arrested, including the event organiser Kellie-Jay Keen. A lengthy risk assessment had been completed and submitted ahead of the event to ensure the group were Covid-19 compliant, and the police were kept fully appraised of the group’s plans. After the event Kelly-Jay Keen explained that she knew was likely to be arrested, part of the reason she refused to give her details to the police was in order to have the opportunity to voice her concerns in court.

Despite the current draconian regulations prohibiting public gatherings, there is an exemption for political events. Thanks to this, protests such as Black Lives Matter have been allowed to go ahead unimpededed_. But according to West Yorkshire Police, women’s rights are not a political cause. A police officer told Kelly-Jay Keen that Standing for Women “failed to meet the legal definition of a political organisation”, though he himself seemed unable to explain what the legal definition of a political organisation was. The socially distanced crowd then divided into smaller groups of six to comply with Covid-19 regulations, but nonetheless officers began to take the names and addresses of attendees and the planned speeches were left unspoken.^

This iswhat I love about this board. We keep the receipts so when transactivists random posters pop up with allegations against KJK and other women, someone has the actual facts to hand. Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 16:19

It was completely outrageous what happened in Leeds.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 16:23

Im glad this incident with KJK has been mentioned because it goes to the heart of the matter, and the subject of this thread. Gormless, Stonewalled police officers deciding whose completely lawful gathering in normal times was a legitimate political protest and whose isn't.

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 16:46

@Ereshkigalangcleg Kellie-Jay completed a form beforehand sent to her. Her own answers indicated it was illegal under covid laws.
She was looking for a fight.

Apollo442 · 30/07/2022 17:56

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 16:46

@Ereshkigalangcleg Kellie-Jay completed a form beforehand sent to her. Her own answers indicated it was illegal under covid laws.
She was looking for a fight.

If she believed she was involved in a political protest (like Black Lives Matter) she was entitled to believe the protest was legal and I'd agree with that. You are projecting your own biases.

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 17:58

Apollo442 · 30/07/2022 17:56

If she believed she was involved in a political protest (like Black Lives Matter) she was entitled to believe the protest was legal and I'd agree with that. You are projecting your own biases.

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Then she should have indicated that in the form she completed before the gathering. She did not. She told the police she was organising a gathering. This was illegal at the time.

Secondhand · 30/07/2022 18:28

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 15:49

@ControversialOpening I am not a transactivist. I simply disagree with some people on the feminist board. Any disagreement, however mild, gets you labelled a transactivist,

That's simply not true.

They might call you a handmaiden.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 19:16

If she believed she was involved in a political protest (like Black Lives Matter) she was entitled to believe the protest was legal and I'd agree with that. You are projecting your own biases.

This.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 19:21

Could you post the evidence that you say proves that Kellie Jay Keen didn't tell them she was a political organisation please @antelopevalley? All gatherings were illegal at the time, there was an exemption for political events which SFW were using.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2022 19:25

At the time you were allowed up to 30 people at a political gathering.

Rightsraptor · 30/07/2022 20:35

On the matter of Rothblatt, Pritzkler and Stryker, the first two are Jewush while the last is not. They are all exceedingly wealthy. They wouldn't have been able to do what they have done if they weren't.

It's hardly anti-Semitic to point out things we don't like about their actions just because two are Jewish. We'd never be able to criticise anyone from a minority group for anything at all on that basis.

SpindleInTheWind · 30/07/2022 20:50

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 16:46

@Ereshkigalangcleg Kellie-Jay completed a form beforehand sent to her. Her own answers indicated it was illegal under covid laws.
She was looking for a fight.

Is KJK's completed form public knowledge? Anyone got a link? Asking for a fiend.

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 21:20

She posted it at the time.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2022 21:21

Even on a thread about Harry any mention of KJK and all the not transactivists posters rock up to share their intimate knowledge of all her wrongs . Amazing how this always happens Grin

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2022 21:34

I thought the Conservative Party said they were going to stop this shit.🙄

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 21:38

The conservatives were the ones originally planning to introduce self id.

Nineteen19 · 30/07/2022 21:42

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This post has been withdrawn as it's been posted here in error.

nauticant · 30/07/2022 22:30

The conservatives were the ones originally planning to introduce self id.

If the Conservatives are going to come to their senses and drop a regressive and harmful ideology because they now recognise it as such, that works for me. We need to get away from the thinking that only those who have been pure for ever are allowed to contribute to the debate.

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 22:36

They have not come to their senses, they just do not give a shit about LGBT. They will enact whatever will get them votes.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 30/07/2022 22:57

Well, I would say refraining from sterilising children is definitely a vote winner.

MrGHardy · 30/07/2022 23:10

The way some 'trans activists' behave towards gender heretics, they 100% would have been loyal party members 90 years ago. It's the same kind of mentality.

ControversialOpening · 30/07/2022 23:15

@antelopevalley
thanks for your reply. If you say you’re not a TRA then I believe you.

however I must say that - on this thread at least - you are looking like a TRA and quacking like a TRA.

Nineteen19 · 30/07/2022 23:54

antelopevalley · 30/07/2022 22:36

They have not come to their senses, they just do not give a shit about LGBT. They will enact whatever will get them votes.

Works for me, I'm keeping my eyes on the prize.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 00:03

Does he know who reported him? Was it a Tory MP?

MangyInseam · 31/07/2022 02:33

BlossomsOnATree · 30/07/2022 11:19

I don’t think comparing anything to nazism is bad, if you are making clear what the comparison is about.

if you are trying to say that something is as bad as the holocaust when it clearly isn’t, then you deserve to be pulled up on that and it’s not a good thing to say.

But comparing authoritarian, ideology-pushing, bullying behaviour, especially by the state and its institutions, to nazism is a political point that it should be OK to make. Especially because, like many horrific totalitarian regimes, nazism started gradually with what appeared to be or were presented as positive, socialist/progressive values. When you see “social justice” tipping over into persecution of wrongthink or of a group with a particular belief, it’s important to be able to point out where that’s led in the past.

How are we meant to learn the lessons of history and avoid repeating them if it’s illegal to say “hang on, this is reminiscent of nazi germany”? If someone says that and is wrong, they can be debated with and their mistake pointed out. It’s called debate.

Yes, this. People have this issue with comparisons a lot, they don't seem to understand that they are always qualified, because the nature of a comparison is that you are talking about two different things.

Sometimes very different, the similarities may be fairly limited and specific.