Harry miller arrested

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twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1jMJgemEeybKL

This is very good on the tendency of trans activists to hurl accusations of anti-Semitism at feminists:

capx.co/jk-rowling-and-the-goblins-of-ire/

Why did they take Harry Millers DNA? Will they keep it?

That interview with Glinner is chilling! The behaviour of the police deciding to send someone on a course for wrong think, the wearing of Stonewall rainbow insignia on police uniforms - it's incredible. Despite everything I know about the capture of the police by trans extremists, this still shocks me to the core.

The alternative would be to gather round the local pond and find a way of testing someone's beliefs? Maybe ducking them? The guilty will float so they can be dragged off for punishment and the innocent will sink into oblivion?
This seems to be where we are at the moment.

Rather like the ones they used to do in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China?
Exactly that.
Incidentally, talking of Stalin and Mao, would there have been the same fuss if someone had rearranged the flag with a hammer & sickle or any symbol of other authoritarian regimes?

I thought I better look this up. And having done so I bet this 're-education' approach was indeed brought across from traffic offences. And probably without a murmur and no debate on the implications.

Re-education is offered as an alternative to being prosecuted for an offence, not just as a choice of penalty. On the National Driver Offender Retraining Scheme website it says 'If the police have offered you a course as an alternative to prosecution for a road traffic offence, you can use this site to find a course provider where you can then book and pay for your course.'

At worst extending an established re-education programme which most people probably wouldn't object to smells like a Denton playbook move. At best it's an ill-considered cost saving/revenue producing measure with profound impact on democratic freedoms.

Not good, either way.

But that is for something that is a definite offence, Critical? Whereas this seems to be something that isn't an offence. If I'm understanding correctly, they could not prosecute on this, so it's dishonest to suggest re-education and a fine as an alternative, because the genuine alternative is ... nothing.

I am not a polis, though. Nor a lawyer.

Can you explain why anyone who disagrees with you is called a transactivist?
It is a bit boring.

Actions that diminish or remove the rights of one group and benefit another are activism, whether deliberate and conscious or not.

Sorry you find it boring. We find it pretty stressful to have to be constantly fighting for rights we've already won, and being called Nazis or extremists on top of that only add insult to injury.

@Thelnebriati the police are allowed to collect after arrest ⬇️

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/44/section/10

I have a vague memory that after a court case a police force were instructed to remove records of children who were taken into a station but not charged and people who were proven to be arrested "incorrectly"

It certainly seems so @MrsOvertonsWindow

We find it pretty stressful to have to be constantly fighting for rights we've already won, and being called Nazis or extremists on top of that only add insult to injury.

It's strategic and successful. Look at how many people it discourages from even examining the message that they get through institutions, their workplaces, school, the NHS and in their social networks.

I'm confident that many people would be truly appalled if they realised just what is being done under the cover of #BeKind. They would be alarmed to discover that their acceptance of this message has been taken as agreement for the sterilisation of children and the transformation of the Police in a manner that does, as Mr Justice Julian Knowles put it, edge closer to this warning: “In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.”

According to Joyce, ‘a few wealthy people’ (p 227), apparently ‘rich, white American males’ (p 228) have ‘shaped the global (trans) agenda’ (p 227). She then goes on to name three rich Jewish people

Is Stryker Jewish? I'm not sure anyone would be aware of that, even if so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stryker

I think you've been reading too many transactivist blogs.

See, I thought speeding punishments were either a course, or three points.

Is it that if you take neither the course, or the points, then you're prosecuted?

I suppose there to be some kind of sanction if you refuse both. But I wasn't aware you could do that.

I agree it looks like re purposing that policy tho. Even though refashioning the flag doesn't appear to be a crime anyway. The attempt will be to classify it under 'malicious communications', no doubt.

I am still waiting eresh to see just how Helen Joyce could have worded those sentences to be acceptable to those who have found issue with it.

I suspect suggestions will not be offerred.

The Forstater Challenge (as opposed to the Staniland Question) is this: What form of words would someone have to use to establish the truth of a matter when making relevant enquiries or engaging in relevant discussions.

The outcome of Forstater and Bailey is not only can we hold GC beliefs, we can express them.

#ForstaterChallenge is a useful exercise to enquire of those who wish to forbid the articulation of inconvenient truths, facts, beliefs or perspective.

I've just read a report in a local newspaper about people being tricked into giving money to scammers who come to their house, pretending to be from the police. The report quotes police as saying they will never ask you to hand over cash and will never come to your house to collect it.

And yet Harry Miller says, in an interview with Graham Linehan, that (genuine) police went to a man's house, told him he had committed a crime and demanded £60. Harry was arrested for arguing with the police about this.

I explained that they conducted a shakedown of a suspect they'd accused of having committed a crime. Yeah. I said, when you tell somebody that they've committed a crime, you have to caution them. You've conducted a 25 minute interview without any form of caution. What you've done is said that if he signs on the dotted line, signs a confession of guilt and hands over 60 pounds, they will send him on a course to reeducate him.
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-harry-last-night

How are you supposed to know who is police and who is a scammer when real police do this kind of thing?

Personally, I find the new rainbow trans flag highly offensive and the way it was rearranged pretty much aligns with how I see it anyway.

How are you supposed to know who is police and who is a scammer when
real police do this kind of thing

Yes, I've seen a lot of similar things from police forces saying we never ask you for money, yet here we are with a documented case of police wanting money.
It's almost as if words no longer mean anything .

Comparing the trans movement to literal Nazis is antsemitic.

Then so is comparing gender critical feminists to Nazis. You can't have it all ways.

@antelopevalley

Can you explain why anyone who disagrees with you is called a transactivist?
It is a bit boring.

I think I can answer this. Most (all?) of us here have no issue at all with transpeople, only with recent trans ideology. It's the people pushing that ideology, wether they are trans or not, that we argue with - so trans activists.
I suppose 'pushers of recent trans ideology' would be more precise, but a bit much to type out each time.

Is there a better term we could use instead?

@ControversialOpening I am not a transactivist. I simply disagree with some people on the feminist board. Any disagreement, however mild, gets you labelled a transactivist,

Remember Dr Konstancja Duff who was punitively strip-searched and the investigation took years to resolve and made her question her own sanity?

Oh yes, that was disgusting.

This reminds me of Kellie-Jays claims that she was arrested for standing up for women when she was actually arrested for breaking covid rules relating to public events.

This isn't true, but for someone who isn't a trans activist you seem to be well acquainted with the details.

thecritic.co.uk/standing-for-women-founder-arrested/

Yesterday, when the group Standing for Women tried to assemble at Victoria Square in Leeds to discuss the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act (2004) (GRA) their meeting was broken-up by the police. Three of the sixteen women were arrested, including the event organiser Kellie-Jay Keen. A lengthy risk assessment had been completed and submitted ahead of the event to ensure the group were Covid-19 compliant, and the police were kept fully appraised of the group’s plans. After the event Kelly-Jay Keen explained that she knew was likely to be arrested, part of the reason she refused to give her details to the police was in order to have the opportunity to voice her concerns in court.

Despite the current draconian regulations prohibiting public gatherings, there is an exemption for political events. Thanks to this, protests such as Black Lives Matter have been allowed to go ahead unimpededed_. But according to West Yorkshire Police, women’s rights are not a political cause. A police officer told Kelly-Jay Keen that Standing for Women “failed to meet the legal definition of a political organisation”, though he himself seemed unable to explain what the legal definition of a political organisation was. The socially distanced crowd then divided into smaller groups of six to comply with Covid-19 regulations, but nonetheless officers began to take the names and addresses of attendees and the planned speeches were left unspoken.^