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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Harry miller arrested

464 replies

chilling19 · 28/07/2022 22:16

twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1jMJgemEeybKL

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Datun · 29/07/2022 15:45

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:37

Harry said he was arguing with the police officers.

Harry is an ex police officer who knows the law inside out and backwards, to the point where he has sued the college of policing, causing them to rewrite their policy.

He was pointing out that they were not adhering to procedure.

do you think that is something that constitutes obstruction?

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:46

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:43

Yes, everyone knows arguing with the police is an arrestable offence. As is looking at them funny or criticising their behaviour on a public forum.

At least, if it's not, it should be. Miller clearly had it coming.

ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 15:50

www.hampshire-pcc.gov.uk/police-and-crime-commissioner-donna-jones-responds-to-video-published-on-twitter-involving-hampshire-police-officers-regarding-alleged-hate-crime

Police and Crime Commissioner, Donna Jones responds to video published on Twitter involving Hampshire police officers regarding alleged hate crime
29 July 2022

The arrests were made yesterday (July 28) by the Constabulary following the report of an image being published on social media.

PCC Donna Jones: “I am aware of the video published on Twitter which shows the arrest of two men in Hampshire yesterday, one for malicious communications and one for obstruction of a police officer.

“I have taken this issue up with the Constabulary today and have been advised officers made the arrests following a complaint from a member of the public of an alleged hate crime.

“It follows a post on social media of Progress Pride flags in the shape of a Swastika.

“I am concerned about both the proportionality and necessity of the police’s response to this incident. When incidents on social media receive not one but two visits from police officers, but burglaries and non-domestic break-ins don’t always get a police response, something is wrong.

“As Police Commissioner, I am committed to ensuring Hampshire Constabulary serves the public as the majority of people would expect. It appears on this occasion this has not happened.

“This incident has highlighted a really topical issue which Hampshire Constabulary and other police forces need to learn from. In order to support this I will be writing to the College of Policing to make them aware of this incident and encourage greater clarification on the guidance in order to ensure that police forces can respond more appropriately in the future.”

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:52

If the police are trying to deal with someone and you get involved arguing with the police, you will probably get arrested but not charged.
You may be a middle-class woman who sees the police as a benevolent force and had no contact with them until now, but not all us come from that privilege.
There is a shade on this thread of - do they not know who I am.

MangyInseam · 29/07/2022 15:53

Well well well.

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 15:53

Why has the commissioner specified "non domestic break-ins", does anyone know?

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 15:54

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:20

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

Did you watch the video?

DialSquare · 29/07/2022 15:56

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 15:53

Why has the commissioner specified "non domestic break-ins", does anyone know?

I'm assuming it means businesses but I could be wrong.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:59

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:52

If the police are trying to deal with someone and you get involved arguing with the police, you will probably get arrested but not charged.
You may be a middle-class woman who sees the police as a benevolent force and had no contact with them until now, but not all us come from that privilege.
There is a shade on this thread of - do they not know who I am.

Don't be ridiculous. Just a page ago you said this:

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

You can't walk your authoritarian bullshit assumptions back now that it's finally dawned on you that there's a conflict with the ACAB in your Twitter handle.

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 16:03

DialSquare · 29/07/2022 15:56

I'm assuming it means businesses but I could be wrong.

Well yes
but why specify those?

commonsense61 · 29/07/2022 16:04

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Artichokeleaves · 29/07/2022 16:07

Gosh. What a police PR disaster this is going to turn out to be.

Datun · 29/07/2022 16:13

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:52

If the police are trying to deal with someone and you get involved arguing with the police, you will probably get arrested but not charged.
You may be a middle-class woman who sees the police as a benevolent force and had no contact with them until now, but not all us come from that privilege.
There is a shade on this thread of - do they not know who I am.

I don't see them as benevolent, quite the contrary.

The point is they were dealing with a man won't let them get away with their normal if you piss off, we'll take you in.

He knows the law and he knows how to get it splashed across the media.

Hence:

The PCC saying

“I am concerned about both the proportionality and necessity of the police’s response to this incident. When incidents on social media receive not one but two visits from police officers, but burglaries and non-domestic break-ins don’t always get a police response, something is wrong.

“As Police Commissioner, I am committed to ensuring Hampshire Constabulary serves the public as the majority of people would expect. It appears on this occasion this has not happened."

i'm confused how you can say in one post that the arrest was legitimate because Harry pointing out their process is wrong was obstruction, and in the next breath saying that don't we all realise that the police are not benevolent.

ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 16:31

Have you not seen any of the many threads on here and Feminist Chat about the disgraceful actions of police forces, particularly The Met, towards women and girls @antelopevalley ? How supremely condescending of you.

MaudeYoung · 29/07/2022 16:37

The PCC for Hampshire has issued this statement

PCC statement

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 16:43

MaudeYoung · 29/07/2022 16:37

The PCC for Hampshire has issued this statement

PCC statement

“As Police Commissioner, I am committed to ensuring Hampshire Constabulary serves the public as the majority of people would expect. It appears on this occasion this has not happened.

“This incident has highlighted a really topical issue which Hampshire Constabulary and other police forces need to learn from. In order to support this I will be writing to the College of Policing to make them aware of this incident and encourage greater clarification on the guidance in order to ensure that police forces can respond more appropriately in the future.”

In combination with Philip Wilkinson's statement in re: KJK's police visit, this is an interesting pressure on the adequacy of the CoP's revised guidance.

CrossStichQueen · 29/07/2022 16:48

Miller clearly had it coming.

Why?

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:58

I was making fun of the idiot who was "assuming" that Miller did something wrong because he got arrested.

Imnobody4 · 29/07/2022 16:59

Looking forward to Andrew Doyle's Free Speech Nation on Sunday - he's not going to be short of things to talk about.

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 17:13

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

and my point on satire sits well here.

using irony or satire on a forum where no one knows you - confusing.

Datun · 29/07/2022 17:15

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 16:56

Why did he have it coming, what did he do that was an arrestable offence?

I thought I'd amped up the irony enough to make it obvious, sorry! I don't actually think that it should be illegal to look at police officers funny.

Illustrates the point, really. That, currently, we can't tell satire from genuine idiocy.

(I knew you were being ironic, because I remember you changing your name)

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 17:18

Nope, "it should be illegal to look at the police funny or criticise them in public" is firmly within the realms of obvious satire even on this forum where the trolls have some pretty outlandish beliefs. I retract my apology!

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 17:21

If only because it's not quite the same kind of outlandish belief that the trolls here explicitly hold. I think our assumption-making visitor thinks of himself as a left wing anti-authoritarian, as his most recent post makes clear. They've got no idea about themselves.