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MangyInseam · 29/07/2022 14:30

EmmaH2022 · 29/07/2022 14:24

Mangy "I would say there is a cross-over between people who don't get satire and people who think your skin colour should determine your political views."

tough one. I find it's often the people who are most academic and who would say they love satire, who have me labelled by skin colour.

This is identifying but I have been wanting to tell the FWR board for a while so....

I had a bizarre conversation with a 20 something about Trigger's broom. I thought she was trolling me. It took a while to establish that she wasn't.

To sum up, She believes what Trigger believes about the broom, amd now sees figurative as literal. Yes, she is at uni.

Oh, I think you are right - they do think they like satire. And they do think they are "academically inclined" by which they mean they have attained a university degree and maybe a professional qualification.

By "satire" they mean Trevor Noah.

beastlyslumber · 29/07/2022 14:32

now I don't know if you're trolling.

Not trolling.

LaughingPriest · 29/07/2022 14:32

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 12:43

This bit supposedly says what happens but it's written weirdly and passively so I can't quite tell what's been left out

It seems like you're missing the point! "What happened" is not that someone posted a meme. That happens all the time. What happened is that someone was arrested for posting a meme and the police broke a bunch of rules to do it and then just for funsies arrested the person who told them they were breaking the rules. Right after the High Court judgement which told them to stop acting like the Stasi policing people's speech. It's rather a big deal.

I presume Miller was involved because this is precisely his wheelhouse and he was asked to get involved?

I don't think there's anything "left out" of the paragraph you quoted. It seems like a very thorough explanation.

I still don't understand what HM had to do with it. Why was he associated with an image posted somewhere? I just can't establish a chain of events from that account. It seems HM was "the suspect" for the (non-crime of) posting it... so they thought he had posted it? But they were incorrect?

beastlyslumber · 29/07/2022 14:36

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ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 14:37

LaughingPriest · 29/07/2022 14:32

I still don't understand what HM had to do with it. Why was he associated with an image posted somewhere? I just can't establish a chain of events from that account. It seems HM was "the suspect" for the (non-crime of) posting it... so they thought he had posted it? But they were incorrect?

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No, that was someone else. He was basically there to offer support and advice, as he considered that the police had already dealt with the matter incorrectly. And he got arrested (and released without charge) for "obstruction" as he was answering back at the police officers and telling them where he thought they were going wrong.

LaughingPriest · 29/07/2022 14:37

What happened is that someone was arrested for posting a meme and the police broke a bunch of rules to do it and then just for funsies arrested the person who told them they were breaking the rules.

So these are two separate people? HM was the latter so they didn't actually think he posted it?
Sorry, I'm confused and not very good at inferences

LaughingPriest · 29/07/2022 14:38

Ah thanks screaming!

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 14:38

Oh, you thought he was writing about himself in the third person? He wasn’t the suspect. That was another guy. The “suspect” appears to have contacted Fox and Miller (or contacted Fox who contacted Miller?) when he knew the police were showing up to arrest him.

achillestoes · 29/07/2022 14:48

@JemimaPuddlegoose

I’m sure you don’t mean that, if the people who are responsible for something, or are contributing to it happening, or happening more, or more often, or in a particular way, happen to be Jewish, naming them (not naming their faith or ethnicity but giving their names) is antisemitic?

You don’t mean that, surely?

Datun · 29/07/2022 14:50

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 14:38

Oh, you thought he was writing about himself in the third person? He wasn’t the suspect. That was another guy. The “suspect” appears to have contacted Fox and Miller (or contacted Fox who contacted Miller?) when he knew the police were showing up to arrest him.

Yes, I don't know if they're friends. But it wouldn't surprise me if Harry Miller wasn't now to go-to person when police start 'visiting' people for offending transactivists.

CharlotteOH · 29/07/2022 14:55

ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 14:37

No, that was someone else. He was basically there to offer support and advice, as he considered that the police had already dealt with the matter incorrectly. And he got arrested (and released without charge) for "obstruction" as he was answering back at the police officers and telling them where he thought they were going wrong.

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Yep the police have a loooooong history of arresting onlookers who point out that the police aren’t following their own procedures correctly. It normally happens when eg a lawyer sees an illegal stop and search in progress and tries to tell the victim that they have rights. Boom lawyer arrested for ‘obstruction’ 🙄

IcakethereforeIam · 29/07/2022 14:56

I'm sure I read that the person whom Harry was supporting had been visited by the coppers at least twice already in response to allegations. This would be his third go. I don't know if the complaints had been made by the same person.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 14:59

CharlotteOH · 29/07/2022 14:55

Yep the police have a loooooong history of arresting onlookers who point out that the police aren’t following their own procedures correctly. It normally happens when eg a lawyer sees an illegal stop and search in progress and tries to tell the victim that they have rights. Boom lawyer arrested for ‘obstruction’ 🙄

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Remember Dr Konstancja Duff who was punitively strip-searched and the investigation took years to resolve and made her question her own sanity?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4462780-Treatment-of-a-Woman-by-Metropolitan-Police

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:00

I don't know if the complaints had been made by the same person.

yes it was in Harry’s article that it was the third visit. I don’t know if they reveal who made the complaints in cases like this, but it sure sounds like the police were helping out someone with a personal vendetta.

Datun · 29/07/2022 15:06

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:00

I don't know if the complaints had been made by the same person.

yes it was in Harry’s article that it was the third visit. I don’t know if they reveal who made the complaints in cases like this, but it sure sounds like the police were helping out someone with a personal vendetta.

Yes, he was visited for memes.

Absolutely sounds personal to me.

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:10

ScreamingMeMe · 29/07/2022 14:37

No, that was someone else. He was basically there to offer support and advice, as he considered that the police had already dealt with the matter incorrectly. And he got arrested (and released without charge) for "obstruction" as he was answering back at the police officers and telling them where he thought they were going wrong.

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Harry was arrested for obstruction because he was obstructing the police. Then released without charge because the police had dealt with him obstructing and rightly saw no point in prosecuting him for this.
It has nothing to do with a Swastika that any decent person should be condemning. It has nothing to do with whether Harry knows what a woman is or not.
If you obstruct the police, expect them to take action.
This reminds me of Kellie-Jays claims that she was arrested for standing up for women when she was actually arrested for breaking covid rules relating to public events.

Datun · 29/07/2022 15:16

How was he obstructing the police? He was just standing there. What constitutes the obstruction?

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:20

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:25

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

Thank goodness for another reasonable person on this thread! If the police arrested him, he must have been doing something wrong.

aweegc · 29/07/2022 15:26

Remember Dr Konstancja Duff who was punitively strip-searched and the investigation took years to resolve and made her question her own sanity?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4462780-Treatment-of-a-Woman-by-Metropolitan-Police

Thanks for sharing this because it's exactly what came to mind last night when I heard about HM's arrest. I just couldn't remember the woman's name.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/07/2022 15:31

beastlyslumber · 29/07/2022 14:16

It used to be that as a society we mocked people who couldn't distinguish between television characters and real life - the sort of people who yelled at Phil from Eastenders in the street. Nowadays, this is apparently considered to be a perfectly legitimate attitude towards fiction, and university students are encouraged to theorise about it in return for degrees in film studies.

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Absolutely! The people who thought that Alf Garnett should be banned because the character was racist were the same. In fact, of course, the stupidity of Alf's views and the way that they were ridiculed by the other characters probably played a role in combating racism in the UK in that era. (I've no idea whether Alf's US incarnation, Archie Bunker, had the same effect over there.)

VestofAbsurdity · 29/07/2022 15:35

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:20

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

You assume - have you never been taught to assume nothing?

VestofAbsurdity · 29/07/2022 15:36

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:25

I assume he was getting in the way of the police officers doing their job.

Thank goodness for another reasonable person on this thread! If the police arrested him, he must have been doing something wrong.

I'd laugh if that wasn't such a bloody stupid statement.

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:37

Harry said he was arguing with the police officers.

DarkDayforMN · 29/07/2022 15:43

antelopevalley · 29/07/2022 15:37

Harry said he was arguing with the police officers.

Yes, everyone knows arguing with the police is an arrestable offence. As is looking at them funny or criticising their behaviour on a public forum.