"Being Untoward About Paedophiles" a new crime?

[StellaAndCrow]

Kelly-Jay Keen has been visited by the police, accused of "being untoward about paedophiles".
Yes, really.

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I have heard Alison Bailey state that she did not want misogyny included as a hate crime, unless the definition of misogyny is defined very clearly as hatred towards the female sex. Original recommendations were based on gender; which means that a transwoman could sue a WOMAN for harassment on the basis of transgender identity AND misogyny. It was Stella Creasey and Peter Tatchell who were pushing for misogyny to be added to the list. That immediately raised flags and I am glad that it was pushed back against.

this seems to be the video the weirdo stalker creep is complaining about. Time stamp 1:28 to 1:52.

Seems like an example of the phrase “LGBTQ community” doing the work it was designed for.

This is the video in question twitter.com/standingforxx/status/1551329167807070209?s=21&t=aVFkIw33WzzGYOaaa6jb3A

She's talking about someone else's words and says she agrees with their stance on it.

Um… because if its true, then much as people are interpreting this as meaning bad drag queens

Yes they're interpreting it as that because that is what she was talking about.

But it’s weird to see people on here defending her so hard if she is happy to throw all LGBT people under the bus

I don’t watch KJK’s stuff. I don’t particularly like some of the things she says. HOWEVER I strongly believe that she should be able to say them without being visited by the police

I thought that stupid prat who got sent to prison for teaching his dog to give a third reich salute should never have been convicted. It doesn’t mean I’m a Nazi (although I do get called a fascist at least once a day on here at the moment).

you don’t have to agree with a person to believe that they should be allowed to speak

Oh For fucking fucks sake.

This is the problem with fastening the T onto the LGB. They're not the fucking same.

People have patiently explained many times it's not being trans that's the issue it's the massive ginormous safeguarding hole being created by treating trans people differently to everyone else. We all get the difference and know that grooming isn't coming from gay people it's also not coming from female trans people. It overwhelmingly predominantly comes from biological males though.

Maybe KJK misspoke can we not parse her every tiny word? While there are actual crimes happening against women and girls?

Trans paedophiles like Katie Dolatowski (biologically male) used their trans status to prey on children (in Katie's case in the women's loos while the child's -decent man - father waited outside). Given self-ID it doesn't matter if they're really trans or just pretending for access to places where it would be easier to commit crimes against children.

She was saying that an American politician who is railing against kids putting money into drag queens' knickers is grooming and that she agrees with that wholeheartedly.

I'm sure someone will transcribe the section and we can all go through it word by word. Gosh how much work has been involved in watching all of KJK's videos to find something to report and this is the worst thing that you can find?

@Ringsender2 @Boxowine

Please read up in history of PIE and NAMBLA, and understand that unless LGB people speak up against this shit, we WILL be tarred by it.

Perhaps you don't care, I do - I don't have a single straight child, so it's kind of important to me

Absolutely agree. This is the nub of the issue (and pointed out by others above, and in other threads).

I also agreed with @Boxowine however, as the pendulum (in my opinion) is swinging back too far. We have nothing to gain long-term, and a lot to lose, by having legitimately-held women's concerns lionised by the far right.
(I also see that this is not the point of this thread at all, and think that WP's actions are embarrassing at best and outrageous and sinister at worst. I hope that KJK follows it up and gets a satisfactory resolution.)

Also, they didn't say 'untoward against the LGBTQ++++ community'. They said paedophiles.

Wiltshire Police now getting a hammering on Twitter.

Wiltshire Police Twitter

I am pretty familiar with English criminal law and 'untoward' is definitely not a legal term. I cannot think of a single statute in which the word even appears.

This.

I think the police were just fulfilling what they do with these things, she said they said they done what they needed to and had "advised" her. So they weren't charging her with any crime at that point, so no need for legal language.

You all may be of the opinion that you can somehow excise the T and Q from the LGB without harming the Gay community
The LGB community was doing well on gaining acceptance etc etc before the TQ was tagged on the end. Adding the TQ doesn't really seem to have improved things for them much. IMHO, the forced teaming of the LGB community with the TQ will not make things better.

Au contraire.

It's a shame that this incident broke too late to be included in this discussion of NCHI recording and the police.

The good news, however, is that this lack of generosity to free speech doesn't have to be the end of the story. Earlier this year, the government quietly, and sensibly, legislated to allow the Home Secretary to take over from the unelected College of Policing the power to dictate how NCHIs are recorded. Whoever occupies the Home Office under the new PM needs to exercise this power quickly and rewrite the guidance.

The problem with the current regime is that it prioritises the need to seek out and suppress the hate that supposedly lurks everywhere. It gives little primacy to free speech. Its wide reach resulted directly from, and was a hurried reaction to, the 1999 Macpherson report into the way the police responded to the murder of Stephen Lawrence. Macpherson saw 'institutional racism' in the Met’s indolence in seeking out the thugs who murdered him. There are now serious question marks over both the assumption of institutional racism and the hypothesis of a pervasive climate of hatred.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/will-the-police-finally-see-sense-on-non-crime-hate-incidents-

I'm not at all cheered that the College of Policing is failing so badly that one of its functions has to be centralised.

In the same way as the debates in the HoL correctly anticipated the logical outcome of the GRA 2004, there were people at the time of Macpherson who foresaw what would happen and how this would be used.

It would be good to know if the existence of NCHI have helped the people whom they were intended to help.

Looks like Wiltshire Police have conflated being LGBT and being a paedophile. Does that not make them guilty of a non crime hate incident? I'm wondering if I've got the ovaries to report them to themselves, at least they wouldn't have to travel to harass the "guilty parties".

The argument, which has been pointed out many times, is that groomers are capitalising on the TQ agenda which, whether intentional or not, dismantles safeguarding. Many people involved may genuinely believe this is progressive and does not place children in danger. I suspect there is a huge element of well meaning people being groomed, they then become groomers themselves without realising what they are doing. Whilst most paedophiles will engage in grooming not all groomers are paedophiles.

Wait, so Posie got a visit from the police for comments on a video where she agreed 100% with Marjorie Taylor Greene the same weekend she had Andy Ngo at her intimate soirée.

This is gold.

Assuming Posie is telling the truth (and there's no reason to think that she isn't), the two police officers have clearly not got a grip on what their job is. For a start, being "untoward" about anything or anybody isn't a hate crime. It's not even a hate incident. As for being "untoward about paedophiles", why would anyone regard that as a problem? I don't know who told the police officers to contact Posie (did they talk directly to the complainant? Were they briefed by a superior?) but it seems pretty obvious that they didn't know what they were doing or why.

Gold indeed. I'm only surprised they haven't arrested her for hosting Andy Ngo, as well as telling her off for being 'untoward to pedophiles', they're just not doing their job properly, are they @SSReye

I'd describe it as more like tin foil than gold myself.

It's reminiscent of hapless Police Constable 'I've Had The Training' Gul who spoke to Harry.

The LGB community was doing well on gaining acceptance etc etc before the TQ was tagged on the end. Adding the TQ doesn't really seem to have improved things for them much. IMHO, the forced teaming of the LGB community with the TQ will not make things better.

Actually, I don't think the lesbian community has ever been tagged with the 'paedophile' label.

Well, not the old fashioned lesbians, anyway...