"Being Untoward About Paedophiles" a new crime?

[StellaAndCrow]

Kelly-Jay Keen has been visited by the police, accused of "being untoward about paedophiles".
Yes, really.

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Personally, I think that it's wrong to amplify a claim that the Gays are child molesters. She may have meant to focus on drag shows but what she actually said was LGBTQ. I do think this is dangerous. Gay people have had these kinds of attacks levelled at them for ages, especially in the US. These kinds of statements are inflammatory.

I think Reddit banning the word groomer because it's a "gay slur" is probably more harmful. Gays against Groomers on Twitter are well aware of the effect the forced teaming with the TQ is having and are very much seeking to divorce themselves from it. To quote from their Twitter, "the last time I checked I could have a boyfriend without indoctrinating your children".

KJK is phenomenal - thank goodness for her bravery in speaking out. Wiltshire police are fucking shocking! I hope she makes a complaint and the officers who turned up are reprimanded - it's even unbelievable that they've just taken the word of the complainant and went to her door (regardless of subject matter), without watching the supposedly offending material. This is just fucking terrible!

Posey really should get a video doorbell, as she mentions someone suggesting during her video - what with the abusive delivery driver she was confronted by recently and now this visit from the Keystone Kops Wiltshire police, it would come in very handy.

Could it be Staffordshire? I'm not certain of the exact relationship between the police force there and the "Victim Gateway and Restorative Justice Service", but I note the force has appalling figures for the timeframes of its investigations into rape. A timeframe during which the victims are left in limbo, not knowing whether they should prepare themselves for a court case or not.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557665-thousands-of-rape-victims-left-waiting-since-2020-for-police-charging-decisions

Hang on a minute. I know the ad you mean, and I think it was Derbyshire too.

This is what Derbyshire Police said last year on twitter.

Hi,

In Derbyshire, we will recognise gender hate as: “A crime or any non-crime incident, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person’s gender or perceived gender.”

Each incident is assessed individually.

twitter.com/DerbysPolice/status/1379467086129430528?t=h2-6kPnX1L_qqTEfseOq8w&s=19

Is she drawing attention to the fact that paraphilias come in clusters? Like cross dressing fetishes and paedophilia?

Because they do. They just do. It's not any kind of hate crime or incident to say so. And a zillion criminal psychologists will testify to the fact.

And this is, presumably, why KJK has absolutely no compunction in taking it as public as possible should someone choose to force her by accusing her of a 'non crime hate incident'.

I should imagine, far from silencing her, a police visit will just amplify what she has to say.

They might as well have given her a microphone and a platform.

Sexual predators are attracted to groups that give them access to potential victims while simultaneously placing them above scrutiny and criticism. You used to have to become a priest or a teacher but now you just have to declare a special identity and supposed adults will act like their brains have been sucked out of their ears and anyone who even hints that you might have bad intentions has all kinds of wrath brought down upon them. The argument isn't that TQ people are predators but that predators have discovered that declaring yourself as TQ makes others into naive, trusting enablers.

mobile.twitter.com/CopeSneedDilate

This Twitter account is claiming to be who reported her. They've shared screenshots of the police report. They also claim that their report includes her phone number and address, which I find fucking terrifying!

The account is dedicated to attacking KJK and if they are in possession of her home details then I think the police should be thoroughly investigating the person who made the report.

Exactly

The 'grooming is a gay slur' thing is really weird. Surely grooming is primarily associated with men regardless of their sexuality? Does Reddit still employ notoriously dodgy individuals as moderators?

Oh, was she talking about drag queens?

Because the person who set up that bizarre account has clearly never heard of that kid, Desmond is Amazing or the other one, Lactatia, or where Desmond was posed with murderers, and twerking with naked adult men and having money thrown at him at a drag club.

The argument isn't that TQ people are predators but that predators have discovered that declaring yourself as TQ makes others into naive, trusting enablers.

Yes. This.

When you have safeguarding standards that are meant to apply to all, everyone, regardless; but then someone introduces a "special" class that needs no scrutiny because of "victimisation" or "special status" or "minority oppression" or whatever - then we do get the exploiters learning this, moving in and taking advantage.

That is why we have tried to instill robust safeguarding of children and women and vulnerable people. And that is why bad actors continue to seek to breach safeguarding in so many ways.

How is this not harassment? It's an entire twitter account dedicated to attacking KJK. Why the fuck are the police spending time visiting KJK rather than talking to the person harassing her and asking them how the hell do they know her phone number and address?

According to the Twitterverse it relates to KJK's commentary on a Libs of TikTok video showing children at a drag event being encouraged to behave like they were in a strip club by giving money to a scantily-dressed drag performer. Adults were stuffing money in the drag act's bra.

If adults were stuffing money into the bra of a scantily-clad female and children were watching and participating, who but completely warped people (and the sex work is empowering lobby) would think that was ok? Who decided that adult-entertainer drag acts were the gay role models children really needed? The whole thing is so regressive.

KJK is just a woman, so police and judicial system don't give a fuck?

I mean, a man's feelings got hurt here, dammit - of course police should be involved.

I hope she takes legal advice about what constitutes police harassment and whether the police have given her private details to some random male who set up an account to slate her.

untoward isn't a word you hear everyday - and unless I'm wrong I don't think you ever hear a guy accused of being 'untoward' so I looked up the definition:

untoward: unexpected and inappropriate or inconvenient

Inconvenient to pedophiles - yeah it's definitely a new one on me.

Is “untoward” used in legal language? Or any other profession these days?

What is worrying about all this is that it will breed intense dislike and resentment.

Where I live - it's reasonably rural - police officers are very thin on the ground. Try to get anyone to take an interest in someone with known mental health issues repeatedly jumping out into a main road at 9pm, and you will be passed from pillar to post for bloody hours. Report that your small shop has been burgled and it will be 36 hours before anyone comes to collect evidence, by which time you've had to clear up the mess (thus losing any evidence) because you can't afford to lose another day's trading. These are real incidents. I haven't made them up. I was involved in one of them.

So people in actual physical danger, and who are endangering others, and people who are suffering significant financial loss are clearly way down the list.

And the people involved look round and see that two constables can be detailed off to go and harass a woman who has said something that might be offensive to paedophiles, and that people have been urged to report NCHIs which the police must then deal with...

They're going to think that there is something badly fucking wrong, and that there are groups of people for whom the police force cares, and that they are not members of any of those groups. They will start to develop at best suspicion and at worst a dislike of the groups they perceive as benefitting from extra police resources and will become resentful and mistrustful of the police.

Doesn't exactly foster social cohesion, does it?

I’m getting vibes of Prince Andrew describing Epstein’s actions as “unbecoming”.

Having read through and listened, and thought how bad this was, a wicked idea popped up in my mind. Suppose that these ill-prepared PCs, perhaps not knowing about KJK, had been dispatched to her with the police equivalent of the apprentice ordered to fetch striped paint or a left handed spanner, in order to suffer what she delivered to them? Which would not add to the reputation of Wiltshire. The precipitating complaint would not even need to exist. Doesn't make things any better. Worse, probably.

I think that it's wrong to amplify a claim that the Gays are child molesters.

Scuse you? Sod the accusations but

THE GAYS?????

What planet are you from?

I think you're right - I think that considering "pedophile" to be a protected sexual orientation is strongly against the spirit of the act but the attempt to convince people that it should be included have a long history and have been gaining ground (why I won't comment) but it's less effort to accept the man's interpretation of the law and do what he wants you to [harass an inconvenient woman] than think about it or access legal advice.

https://www.csaprimaryprevention.org/about-minor-attraction.html

If this interpretation was accepted having a conviction for child porn wouldn't stop you working with children etc. In fact trying to fire someone for possessing anime type child porn would be you discriminating against them as you wouldn't have been worried if the drawings were of adults. So it's a hard 'no' from me.

So in that Twitter thread that @unwashedanddazed linked, it claims that in her video she said this, in reference to an American politician:
"Whilst also saying that the LGBT community is attempting to indoctrinate or groom children, 100% we agree with you, thank you very much for saying so and um I don't care that uh how that comment is being portrayed."

Is that true? Is that what she said or is it being quoted out of context and misrepresented?

Um… because if its true, then much as people are interpreting this as meaning bad drag queens, that’s not what she said. She could just as easily have meant lesbian mums coming to the school summer fair holding hands, for all that it says there.

The whole situation is horrible, it was crazy for that Twitter account to call the police out for one line in a YouTube video, especially given how the police don’t care much about crimes against women. But it’s weird to see people on here defending her so hard if she is happy to throw all LGBT people under the bus.