"Being Untoward About Paedophiles" a new crime?

[StellaAndCrow]

Kelly-Jay Keen has been visited by the police, accused of "being untoward about paedophiles".
Yes, really.

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Yes Kelly Jay is brilliant. She also gave some good advice at the end of the video. You don't need to let then police in your house. If they caution you don't have to say anything. Someone with a better memory or knowledge please do correct me!

That would be completely possible and legal, if my (wholly amateur) understanding is correct.

A non-crime hate incident rests on the perception of the person reporting. So the 'incident' is really irrelevant. Doesn't matter what it was or wasn't. What matters is that someone (not even necessarily the so-called 'victim') feels that a hate incident has happened, and that they report it.

I would be ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED to be wrong, so do correct me someone if I've misunderstood.

www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/hate-crime/responding-non-crime-hate-incidents

'A record should only be made where it meets the threshold set out in the national standard for incident recording (NSIR).

A single distinct event or occurrence which disturbs an individual, group or community’s quality of life or causes them concern.

So, any 'occurrence which causes an individual concern' meets the threshold. From my reading.

The only evidence relevant to that is an individual with a concern.

Oh, and of course they have to have one of the protected characteristics.

I listened to this and for the life of me I couldn’t work out what they wanted.

So the police are incompetent in Wiltshire and a judge is more concerned about the alleged vulnerability of a repeat transgender paedophile who she says is a danger to children, rather than protecting children from said paedophile? Meanwhile the police can send 2 police officers to challenge KJK because she's said something critical about a paedophile?
Have I got that right?

Sadly, I think you are right.

Their treatment of KJK's 15 year old daughter was also truly appalling.

Seems that Wiltshire police aren't 'untoward about paedophiles' as much as they bloody should be. They're a good argument for defunding the police.

Can any random man just make a complaint and have the police go and do their harassing for them now? Is the next thing going to be the police assisting stalkers in their stalking? All they have to do is say the woman has been 'untoward about stalkers' after all.

I hope KJK takes them to court over this.

But I'm looking forward to them making lots of visits to all the abusive men who've made threats against KJK and JKR because I find all of them offensive....

.... waits.....

At risk of totally derailing the thread I happened to be browsing FOI requests today, and came upon this one.

The case the OP mentioned is appalling. I think what I'm trying to say is what everyone on this board knows - some outwardly respectable men people can have very dark secrets. Do these people have untoward influence/special treatment/friends in high places? Does this affect how police operate? Who knows. But police priorities seem out of kilter.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/childabusinggjudgesanddlawyers#incoming-2021454

The link probably deserves a trigger warning. Maybe read the FOI and skip the link.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/family-law-solicitor-drug-fuelled-58285

WTAF is wrong with the police at the moment? Every time I come on to this board thinking nothing I read / see will shock me any more with regard to the policing of women’s thoughts, I’m always caught out. KJK handled it well.

Jesus fucking suffering christ, I'm so bored of all this now.

It's absolutely bonkers. 😧

It’s obvious she gives zero fucks now isn’t it. I think she wants her day in court.

Quite. I'm amazed that they didn't think to watch the video in question first. In what other situation would they not consider the evidence before acting? Makes me wonder if KJK is on some kind of naughty list.

The police officers at the door were likely to have only had the order to give the warning/let PP know of the incident, they wouldn't have necessarily had to have watched the video or know the details.

A non crime incident is basically "Hurty feelz" AFAIK.
One police force (I think it was Derbyshire constabulary?) Got their bottoms smacked for putting an advertisement out telling people to come and talk to them if they feel offended by anything.
I believe they had to withdraw the advertisement

As she said, would the police come out as quickly if she got hurt on the street? To which the answer is obviously No.
Don't always agree with the platforms she speaks on but, fuck it, more sunlight the better then everyone will see how fucked up this is.

If it's a non-crime hate incident, no evidence or rationality is required. As far as I can tell, if someone tells the police that they perceive any action or speech as motivated by hate towards one of the 5 characteristics, then that is the hate incident.

So is one of the 5 characteristics religion or belief?
So could holders of gender critical beliefs be victims of non crime hate incidents if they are offended by something somebody says?

Good question. Strictly legally speaking, I expect so. In practise, I can't imagine any policeperson even entertaining the idea of acting to protect someone with gc beliefs.

I wish I'd heeded your warning. Jesus.

Worth noting, though:

'David Regan was a respectable, hard-working professional dealing with children’s welfare.'

Predators will go to extraordinary lengths to access vulnerable victims. We say it on here so often. Nobody should be above suspicion.

From the FOI:

'there is no set procedure in place that is triggered when a lawyer/judge is convicted of a child abuse crime, i.e., the CPS does not routinely review cases it has prosecuted unless specific complaints are made.'

It beggars belief they waste time on hurty feelz when real crimes are being ignored.

You've got to wonder who's behind this and how they've got so much power as to get police to go and intimidate KJK because I'd bet a lot of money that if some middle aged women complained about TRA threats on twitter the sum total of bugger all would happen.

Alf up a tree on Twitter has a thread full of police paedophiles. I can't link as I'm not on Twitter but screenshot for searching.

Writing about the recent (highly confusing!) updated guidance for recording Non-Crime Hate Incidents, Sarah Phillimore wrote:

One thing however that the guidance(s) do make very clear is that there will be NO review of the existing hundreds of thousands of unlawfully made NCHIs.

www.faircop.org.uk/non-crime-hate-incidents-updated-guidance/

Assuming that she's in the right ballpark with that figure, it is truly shocking how these "incidents" have been recorded in the past.