gender woo and voting

[dropthevipers]

Is party stance on gender woo a deal breaker for you? I am/have been a center left type my whole life, would never previously have even considered voting tory-but I cannot vote for parties that spout manifest bollocks. How about you? Or you friends?

So to get on the ballot MPs are going to need 20 supporters. That rules Shapps out (good news) but Mordaunt is very much in (bad news).

To get to the next round they need 30.

girls will starve as well as boys, you know

Yes, just pointing out policies, oh aye? (do you ever frequent Reddit or kiwifarms trying this sexist guilt trip on men? Why not?)

Let me ask you, antifascist, what community work do you do? What on the ground activism as opposed to clicktivism? I’m a trustee of two charities; a school governor; I regularly part-run a community service for providing low-income families with baby items, do shifts at our community free food exchange; I’m a disburser of grants for local community projects amongst lots of other things.

Do you do anything actual to help anyone in real life, or do you just scold women on the internet? Because it sounds to me like you need to get out there and put your energy into doing something offline to back up your politics, rather than trying to police women much older than you on social media.

Interestquestion 19:30
I think he opened a door that only a PM can open. It meant other people could say it openly

Yes, that was what he did.

‘But when he expressed himself eleoquently on the hoof and knew the difference between sex and gender, gillick competency and otherwise and what’s necessary to make single sex sport fair, I think he opened a door that only a PM can open.’

He did well that day.

Yes this is the main reason I am sad he is 'going' as I think he finally got the importance of the issues to at least 50% plus of the population. Just as well he had already stopped self-id going forward along with Liz Truss.

Hopefully no matter which candidate comes in - even Mordaunt - they won’t bring back self-ID. It’s an obvious disaster waiting to happen. And I hope the progress people are making in the understanding of childhood transition is as irreversible as puberty blockers (unfortunately) are.

I agree about environmental issues. Why then has Labour focused on the wants of a tiny marginalized group of people without debate? The lack of debate has sown division that has lifelong Labour supporters announcing they will either vote Tory or spoil their ballot. That fracturing of the Left is not limited to the UK but is seen in the US, Canada and elsewhere.

It is my belief that the phenomena of governments worldwide which are not just hastily adopting but forcing through genderwoo policies and laws has been financed by the Right to fracture the Left at a time when the Left is in a position to take power.

Ask yourself given the dire state of the environment why the very wealthy have poured hundreds of millions into genderwoo that helps a tiny fraction of people instead of pouring that money into projects that help the entire Earth.

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

I doubt you could rely on that. I will be very upset if they elect Mordaunt.

Yes, absolutely. And one of the reasons why it’s so disappointing that gen Z, with all that political energy, are obsessed with pronouns and narcissistic gender rubbish rather than engaging with the wider world.

Of all the issues facing us today — climate crisis, economic disaster, energy collapse, famine, the rise of warlord leaders throughout the world, the increasing risk of global warfare, VAWG — the issue most kids are most obsessed by is that ultimate in navel-gazing Western commercialism, gender identity. It’s frustrating.

I think no one in the leadership dates mention the environment as they perceive everyone to be so angry about energy costs. With the cost of oil rising even higher and gas practically rationed if a Tory patronised me by pontificating on the environment when I’m stressed about October’s 60% price hikes I’d be spitting. They can perhaps talk about investment in nuclear energy but no levies. Not just yet. I couldn’t stand it.

*dares not dates.

I agree that the environment is right up there as a major issue. I assume that everyone posting here about it is aware that the UK is doing better than the rest of the world excluding Germany when it comes to producing renewable energy?

www.energymanagementmag.co.uk/the-countries-leading-the-way-in-renewable-energy/

There's a significant amount of money going into insulation and heat pumps for low earners and people on benefits. Ultimately it comes down to individuals. Will you limit your car use, give up your hot tub, your heated swimming pool, your two showers a day? Will you learn to live with the thermostat set at 17 degrees, will you limit your flying, give up cruises, dig up your paved-over and gravelled gardens and grow plants that will support insect and bird life (and on and on and on)? As soon as you put it like that you lose votes. The major parties know this. We have only ourselves to blame.

If Mordaunt tries to bring in self ID the Tories will lose votes they've taken from Labour on this issue and some women might decide they can live with voting Labour for other reasons when no one is supporting women's sex based rights. They know it isn't popular.

LordLoveADuck - Today 20:09
Re this article you posted.
White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology
thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Thank you for that article. Though I realised the cult for being trans gender would mean a lot of money for private doctors, I had no idea of the extent to which in the US it is a massive capitalist business. As if anyone there will let it go, ever.

Of course they need more and more people on a lifetime of pharmaceuticals and multiple operations, and if you can get them as children all the more years of their money.

All the sound searching over the most marginalised people, the bravery, the earnest alliances, the inclusivity, the purity of thought, the being on the right side of history, is meaningless. People are being lead by their noses.

What is really going on should be the antithesis of anything Labour represents.

Conservatives/ any party could talk about energy grants for homes administered by a system that really works, and proper training for new jobs to carry out the work, without hectoring anyone. If you are helping people cut their bills forever, plus making new jobs, that would all seem positive.

Tory MPs reported private, adult female, citizens to the police for speaking up for our rights.

They destroyed women for saying stuff![shock-]

Thanks for sharing an extremely right wing website which publishes many pieces on COVID that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7]

While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9]

It is deeply racist and confirms the notion the far right are using the gender critical movement as an audience for their far right ideas,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

It's happened during and because of 12 years of Conservative government. But some are so wedded to the "vote Conservative" message, that they have repeatedly turned a blind eye to the destruction of women's rights under the Conservative government.

I am not interested about anything you have to say antifascist unless it is pertinent to a point made in this particular article.

I'm delighted that you want to save Mumsnet as a place where the extreme right can spread their racist lies

Thanks for sharing an extremely right wing website which publishes many pieces on COVID that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7]

While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9]

It is deeply racist and confirms the notion the far right are using the gender critical movement as an audience for their far right ideas,

I was referring to this which you wrote. It has no relevance at all to the article I had commented on.

antifascist
I'm delighted that you want to save Mumsnet as a place where the extreme right can spread their racist lies

This makes no sense whatsoever in the context. It is meaningless.

People who post links to extreme right websites are trying to ecountage people to visit them

it's not difficult.

the link the poster linked to tries to implicate George Soros

Don't you have any shame at all?

Still I'm delighted to learn that "Gender Critical" activists are sharing openly antisemitic far right links on Mumsnet

Maybe some of the more decent posters will begin to ask questions about who is trying to make them so angry about people who rarely visit toilets and changing rooms, and usually only when they want to go to the toilet.

Yes, this. They are in a bind. From an environmental standpoint high oil prices are a good thing.

This is one of the things that has been discussed at some length among some of the more right wing pundits and economists. Contrary to what certain people on the left will say, lots of people on the right do see environmental issues as important. But they also tend to put more emphasis on what carbon reduction on a grand scale would mean for the economy and tend to think that the left doesn't address this properly.

It's what you see in discussions on MN - people upset that the COL is high, that food is high, that the government isn't in a position to make up the difference, at the same time they want action on the climate.

I think the environmental movement is in part to blame, it's been a long time since they were honest about the limits of improved tech to allow people to keep living the same way they do now without impacting the environment.

We actually didn't hear much about the environment during covid either, none of the major parties were willing to keep pushing that envelope or ask questions about the environmental impact of some of the covid policies. And maybe not unreasonably, I don't think the public were in much of a mindset to listen.