Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

Why is it that the opinion of a medal-winning Olympian who is part of the LGBT community can be dismissed because he used a surrogate

LGB is not the same as trans and should not be conflated. Stonewall only did it to keep itself relevant. Tom has no special understanding of the trans community.

Of course a lot of male athlete's do not see a problem here...

Firstly they are not the ones that will be competing again the men who have transitioned to women..

Secondly the women who have transitioned to men will be no competition for the existing male athletes.

Only women lose out here, regardless of the testosterone levels the muscle tone and general strength of a man outweighs that of women. It is being shown time and time again when trans athletes competing in female sports are breaking records held by women.

Tom can go fuck himself.

Also being gay gives you no advantage over other gat and straight athletes. Being biologically different does!!

But is there any evidence that transwomen are faced with hostility in men's single-sex spaces, eg changing rooms?

We keep being told they are an oppressed minority, and they use women's facilities because they don't dare enter the men's. But where is the evidence? And how does it compare with the well documented harm that male people cause to women?

Websites such as transcrimeuk.com have long lists of crimes committed by transwomen, including plenty of violence against women.

Could diving be one of those sports where men and women could compete on an equal basis? I don't know enough about it to know whether eg strength is important

no. World championships is on at the minute, have a look at the scores.

men have greater strength and power, so can jump higher and fit in more somersaults and twists, so have a much higher difficulty value. They also have larger hands, wide shoulders and narrow hips, which means they can get that “rip” so their execution scores are higher as well. Their centre of gravity and core strength make it easier.

boobs and hips on women make it harder. Which is why the top women divers tend to be tiny chinese 14 year olds, especially on platform.

the top UK women divers wouldn’t make finals, let alone podium if they competed against men. I wonder how Tom would feel if women he trains and competes with like Grace Reid had their career, including funding cut because trans women decided to compete.

FINA singled out diving and water polo as disciplines where the inclusion of female athletes who identify as men would only be possible if the athlete provided some kind of waiver with regard to safety issues. It is well known that women's skulls are more fragile than men's and they are more prone to concussion, so it is quite possible that some of the diving board heights and or dives might be more dangerous for women

women currently compete from the same heights as men. The dives are also pretty much the same, except men are capable of much higher difficulty, because of the above. I have seen this for water polo but not diving- can you point me in the direction please?

Maybe a kingfisher or a guillemot? Or would going trans mammal be a step too far?

Lol 😂

How would it climb the stairs up to the diving board?

With porpoise

I'm furious you didn't get a TW to be your surrogate, Tom.

That would be as reasonable as you are being.

I'm afraid to say, the problem with poor Tom is he's just not very bright and he's horribly exploited by those around him, who enjoy the good looking, in demand mouthpiece.

“How would it climb the stairs up to the diving board?

With porpoise”

😂

Well Tom can fuck off. Who asked for his opinion.

Tom Daley has more than proved what he thinks of women and women's rights.

Oh but he does cute knitting so he's wonderful and fluffy and this obviously makes up for his attitude to women...

Can't stand the prick.

😁

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports
For anyone interested, the notable trans athletes section is interesting. Trans men largely compete with women. Trans women largely compete with women. And non binary people - who are largely female - also compete with women! So perhaps competing in same-"gender" categories isn't that important.
It's almost as though the women's category has become the open (be kind) category.

I was just thinking, this would be the most entertaining Olympics ever. I'm 100% in favour of letting cheetahs in the men's sprint, trained gorillas into the shotputt - okay, it might not be 100% safe fair, but it would be very, very inclusive.

Kangaroos in the long jump, cats in the gymnastics, swans in the sailing - it could all be highly entertaining.

I've used the wrong word, he obviously is academically bright, I think he did very well at school, but he seems very easily influenced and doesn't have the emotional intelligence to realise that's what's happening.

Oh Tom, do shut up and go back to your knitting

He’s obviously a horrific misogynist. And a really thick one too.

Well then Tom should have got a transwoman to gestate a baby for him. Transphobic bigot.

Fuck you, Tom.

I have slowly gone off Tom daly. Of course he can have an opinion but so can I and unless your a female working all hours god sent to compete at top level you will never understand. This will never effect him at all. He needs to have some respect for females.

Maybe a kingfisher or a guillemot? Or would going trans mammal be a step too far?

Seagulls could do extremely well if properly incentivised. You might end up with a pool filled with squawking, fish (or sandwiches?) and seagull poo but we all know you have to prioritise inclusion.

I have seen this for water polo but not diving- can you point me in the direction please?

It’s for high diving as well water polo:

Appendix 1 / P10 of this document:

resources.fina.org/fina/document/2022/06/19/525de003-51f4-47d3-8d5a-716dac5f77c7/FINA-INCLUSION-POLICY-AND-APPENDICES-FINAL-.pdf

(High diving is different to the 10m Platform event).

Tom was possibly laying the path for him to compete as a woman when he was no longer competitive as a man. So, he wasn't actually gay, just a women in a man's body. No wonder he's angry - how many golds could he have won as Thomasina?

I'm part of the LGB community, AND the female community, AND the competitive swimming community, does that mean my opinion has to be listened to?

I think Boris is a twat. I think Tom Daley is a twat. Boris, whilst wrong about very many things, is right about sporting fairness and the importance of biological sex. Tom, whilst right about plenty of things I'm sure, has got this one wrong.

Thing is, it's Boris' business, because he's the PM and people (stupidly) elected him to deal with tricky stuff like this. It's not Tom's personal business because he has no skin in the game (he's a bloke, competing with other blokes) - it would be nice if he considered his female teammates on this occasion, but he doesn't have to. Similarly, I don't have to take his opinion into account, because it's nothing to do with him.