Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

Today's daily appropriate use of this meme

The strength and power of your body will affect what skills you are capable of performing
I guessed it might be something like that

I always wonder where trans men come in this kind of argument. Because Wikipedia suggests most trans men athletes are still competing in women's sports. You'd think Tom would be outraged that they have to do this, given it would apparently be barbaric for transwomen to compete with other males. Strangely no one seems to give a shit about that.

Trans women are women. Natal women are incubators.

Which we receive with joy, praise be.

(Because HT seems to be becoming more and more like a fucking documentary.)

It seems physical power does matter. www.fromthelabbench.com/from-the-lab-bench-science-blog/olympic-diving-physics

And body shape too, but men are at a disadvantage there because they’re bigger.

*There was an interview the Times recently about Daley. He was telling us all about his day, which revolves around much cooking with eggs, apparently.

I was most amused to see the Times disclaimer that he's sponsored by an egg company.

I'm still cringing.*

There's a joke there somewhere since of course he needed to purchase an egg to create his baby, almost certainly from a different woman to the woman who provided gestational services, meaning he exploited two women to obtain that baby.

We'll see him getting sponsorship to advertise for egg "donors" next.

Perhaps you cannot see that you have framed your statement about Tom Daley as being positive and your statement about two other males as being so negative as to include the words 'misogynists' and 'bigotry' and even the more colloquial use of 'embrace' to convey that negativity to people who might agree with them on just this one thing or on many.

Why cant they just have a trans category?
ie. 500meters Females race, males race and trans race.

Exactly, he could make the distinction there i bet

The main take away would be that it’s not equivalent because of biological differences between the sexes - which translate in complex ways into any sport.

I’m guessing that women’s only diving is different to mens in various ways, and that mixed sex diving is made especially silly challenging by trying to balance out the differences. The sex-based differences require increased skill to synchronise.

And, of course, there’s the cyclical hormonal wild card that is being a biological woman. That affects training and performance in profound but complex ways too.

It’s the ‘just asking’ 😇 form of debate.

There’s a scene in the first episode of the new stranger things season that illustrates exactly why people do the disingenuous ‘it’s just a question; I’m only curious’ thing.

To all who asked this kind of question. It's much like gymnastics, men are more powerful but women are more graceful.

So men can turn and twist more / more quickly but are quite aggressive looking in their transitional movements. Women turn and twist a little less but look much more fluid as they do so.

Tom knows exactly what sex is and how a woman's body is different to a mans when he is looking for someone to create a child for him to buy.
Hypocrisy and misogyny what a creep.

Would Tom be happy with cheating within his sport? If not why not? Having an advantage is seen as cheating by many, so start accepting doping & drugs within sports as some people will benefit from this & why have a level playing field when some can have advantages over others

This! So much.

Water polo is truly vicious as a sport. There is absolutely no way you’d want to be in that pool with biological men as a woman.

www.insider.com/is-water-polo-hard-olympics-2016-8?amp

Men can jump higher can't they. Bigger feet, longer legs, bigger muscles etc.
Gives more time to do the fancy stuff.

Also, basic body shape, weight etc will change the aerodynamics completely.

Fuck off wee man and get back to your knitting.

Don’t think he would literally be interested in the ”Fuck you” part @peachescariad! That aspect of womanhood is of no interest to him! It’s only the after part that he is interested in, you know, carrying the baby for him and his husband!

I wonder how Tom would feel, if a Dolphin entered in his category?

I mean, as long as the Dolphin identifies as a man, the Dolphin has to be indulged, no matter what the collateral damage to others, right?

How would it climb the stairs up to the diving board?

In high diving (a FINA but not Olympic event) men generally dive from a greater height than the women. The greater the height, the more impact on joints etc when entering the water.

Under the new FINA rules, transmen need to sign an assumption of risk form, stating “I acknowledge and accept the possible increased injury risk associated with transgender men competing in the men’s competition category in the High Diving given the demands of the discipline.”

How would it climb the stairs up to the diving board?

I was just thinking, this would be the most entertaining Olympics ever. I'm 100% in favour of letting cheetahs in the men's sprint, trained gorillas into the shotputt - okay, it might not be 100% safe fair, but it would be very, very inclusive.

Maybe the dolphin could start in the water and kind of bounce on/bounce off the diving board?

Precisely. . He can put The effort in, instead of expecting women to make way and lose out.

I don’t think dolphins would be brilliant at Olympic diving. Even if the stairs weren’t an issue. 🤣