Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

Really good point.

So by that logic can I, as a 35 year old, compete in an under 5s swimming competition because I identify as such?

The sad fact is I would probably still not win though 😂

Then how about he works on making the mens category more inclusive/accepting to transwomen…

When it comes to something that doesn't affect them negatively well men are all for letting trans women compete in womens sports, use womens toilets etc etc.

But they'd have something to say if the doctor they chose lol picked a trans women to donate an egg to them if they couldn't have a baby with their partner ! It's all "it's a feeling" until it's not convenient for them.

But you try saying that to them about us having complete different biology and we are all terfs. Can't win.

‘So by that logic can I, as a 35 year old, compete in an under 5s swimming competition because I identify as such?’

Yes. The logic is, collect everyone who can swim at roughly, say, 5km/hour. Get them to race each other. If that includes an 88 year old man and a female 5 year old and one incredibly talented person with one leg, that’s okay. They’re all roughly the same ability so that’s the correct categorisation. Never mind that the information you get at the end has nothing to do with who is the best swimmer.

Boris Johnson hates women?

That’s quite a claim, have you anything to back it up?

I am loving the idea of the creature-inclusive Olympics. I'd like to see Tom Daly dive against a gannet or tern from the 45 metre board and not shit hisself. I'm sure some fair rules can be worked out around beak angle ratios.

Beyond tired of men with no skin in the game getting all loud and indignant about females saying no to males. And believing they have the right to tell females what they may have, who they are, what they are, and that females should somehow care about this and do it, and not seeing the misogynist arrogance they are so very busy indulging themselves in.

Thank you, I am crying laughing at this!!

OMG, I'm in bits....

I agree that he's shown who he really is with these remarks and I have zero respect for him.

(As an aside it really pisses me off that his knitting has been so lauded. I mean when women do it it's often seen as a sad, old fashioned activity carried out by middle aged or elderly women. BUT hang on a minute, Tom Daley knitting is front page news and isn't it wonderful, isn't he amazing blah blah blah. Same old shit I suppose. Women have been doing something for centuries but when a man does it we are all supposed to congratulate and admire him.)

He knew what a woman was when he wanted to rent a womb… he knows exactly what a woman is for that purpose…

The point about his hypocrisy round this is very valid. As others have said, he was perfectly aware that a trans woman would not be a good surrogate, and so completely excluded them from consideration.

If he meant what he is now saying then he should have equally been willing to use a trans woman to (try to) gestate his baby.

He didn’t, as biology is the only thing that matters when it comes to dividing on the basis of sex.

We could make 'reasonable adjustments' to assist.

This is all such fucking shit 😡

The fact that you wouldn't win would work for you. It'd be seen as proof that you had no advantage. Just like when Laurel Hubbard, incredible out of shape and about 50 years older than his competitors (okay, 20-30 years....), managed to get injured and had to pull out, it was seen as proof that there was no unfair advantage.

Which absolutely definitely wasn't staged as a strategic thing by the political lobby in question. At all. Nuh uh.

Because the point is that Tom is pretending that femaleness isn't relevant, when he used a woman to grow a baby for him. Clearly he knows as well as Johnson what a woman is. It would be hard to recognise himself as a gay man if he didn't.

Johnson may be wrong on many things but he knows what a woman is and he's not lying about THAT. Tom is pretending that he sees nothing unique or distinct in womanhood when it comes to sports, yet somehow knew who to use when he wanted a baby.

Oppressors of women always know who the women are. When the supposed liberators pretend they don't, and therefore can't identify sex-based oppression and unfairness, they're worse than useless in the fight.

‘Just like when Laurel Hubbard, incredible out of shape and about 50 years older than his competitors (okay, 20-30 years....), managed to get injured and had to pull out, it was seen as proof that there was no unfair advantage.’

Rather than proof that they let an average athlete compete against the best athletes in the world.

bahahahahaha

Well, OK, I’m furious about the Supreme Court decision in the US. Tom Daley can be furious about this issue if he wants to be.
However, there isn’t any chance that:

• his sporting career will be derailed by anyone with the physical advantage of opposite-sex puberty competing in elite sport, or

-his professional career would not even get started for the same reasons, or -his earliest attempts at regular swimming ever being put off by the presence of women in his changing rooms. And so on.

His fury really doesn’t stack up at all, the balance against the rights of women to have female-only sport. He might not accept this, but women’s rights just aren’t up to Tom Daley to give away on our behalf.

If he’s that’s bothered about including and cantering the trans community, why doesn’t he hand his training bursary, team place and sponsorship to a trans person.

No? But happy to give away someone else’s livelihood and career though aren’t you kid?

He's not a woman so his opinion is irrelevant. Women are losing their rights.

Hubbard clearly threw it, like lots of people predicted would happen. As if someone who stole gold in the Pacific Games suddenly forgot how to pick the weights up.

As you say, a 40 something male with a recent injury who had never been more than middling national in the peak of fitness, even competing among ultimate young women was all the proof we needed of the advantage.

It's women's sports, not shit or hobbled men's sports.

Fantastic post!

Oh no, I quite liked him, how disappointing.

Trans and non-binary athletes could have a wonderful time having their own category, think of how much this could encourage additional young people to take up sport and benefit from physical activity. Why can't Tom look at the positives!

Men and women have separate categories of sporting competition for good reason, except in something like equestrian sports where the horse provides the muscle so competition is evened out. It's very simple and straightforward and allowing trans/NB athletes have their own category is entirely appropriate.