Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

Don’t be ridiculous, all women have something to lose at being redefined to include males. Tom however is completely unaffected.

@FishcakesWithTooMuchCoriander
You beat me to it.

Tom should have had a chat with Sharron Davies first. He might look like less of a bellend then.

You asked:

Why is it that the opinion that males should be allowed to enter female sports, expressed by a misogynists male medal-winning Olympian who is part of the G community can be dismissed (because he used a female to grow an other human for him without any personal risk or disruption to any of his training regimes ) when demanding that a male should be allowed to race in the female competitions.

But.

Opinions that the word women refers to human females when expressed by various misogynists (Boris Johnson, Matt Walsh) can be embraced and separated (by some) from their well-documented bigotry.

it is indeed a conundrum.
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This is the Tom Daley who thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body for surrogacy purposes?

The Tom Daley who has never had someone with an unfair physical advantage push him out of a medal place, a prize or recognition?

The Tom Daley who, despite being an elite sportsman, seems to fail to recognise the importance of sporting fairness?

Well, that Tom Daley can fuck right off.

This. He can eff off.

The problem of course is that anyone who ever discusses this issue on TV or radio always acknowledges how complex the issue is. Rather than just saying:
That's bollocks. Lia Thomas might feel womanly in his head, whatever the fuck that means, but he's clearly got a male body and shouldn't compete against the opposite sex.

I suspect because the issue here is what he has said, rather than who he is.

If the other individuals you cite had said this, I'm sure their views would not be embraced either.

Absolutely right! Male bodied, testosterone soaked physiques have a massive advantage over Women.
Heck, even archaeologists can tell if a skull or skeleton is male or female.. there are definite biological differences, soft tissues aside.

Yeah, if you say so!

Yes, Daley was 'dismissed' aka taken to task here because he used a surrogate. He bought himself a walking womb because he wanted a ickle baby and is wealthy enough to afford on, famous enough to get all the column inches he wants.

Now he is putting his public cachet behind men competing in female sports. Using those column inches to trample yet more women's rights and dignity.

The other 3 twonks you mention get a different heap of ridicule dumped on them, they are not exempt.

I am interested to know where a trans woman has been stopped from competing unless it is because they can’t qualify in the male category of the sport.

Or when he says “You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are”

Does he mean what they love to do is compete against women and beat them (because they have male biology) rather than competing against other men.

If Tom really wanted to help transwomen swimmers he’d be taking a stand on welcoming them into the male category, making sure they feel comfortable there

abso fucking lutely!

He's furious about something that will never have an impact on his life. If he competes against transmen then he's at an additional advantage.

He should show some empathy for women who are at such a disadvantage in training anyway having to compete with people who had the male advantage and the male body. It's just not fair.

If TD thinks trans woman are women then why didn’t he use a trans woman for his surrogate.

Why when he wants something he sees the difference but others aren’t allowed to make that distinction

Tom Daley's a twat.

Homophobia has not prevented him from achieving in his sport. It may have caused him problems within his personal life.
Im not sure homophobia can always be defined as discrimination if it doesn’t disadvantage you directly.
Perhaps indirectly.

Why?

Why is the opinion of male who is publicly stating that they accept males being included in female sports category, despite the evidence to that proves it is unfair being derided? Has fuck all to do with his sexual orientation, so why bring that into it?

So, why are you seeking to shame people discussing this by attempting to align their views, commonly held views by the vast majority of the population, with misogynists?

Do you do this with any other issues?

What about telling vegans all the people in the world they are aligning themselves with? Do you do that?

How about you also go and say to Tom Daley, 'look at what some members of your community have said about females (including things like little girls are kinky too, that females are expectant arseholes and open mouths and empty eyes, that to be abused is a validating female experience.... we have many of them to hand and can post them if you want), do you know that agreeing with them means you 'embrace' their hideous words too?'

No? Why here then?

Tom's career and his medals were never at risk from trans competitors. As a male this never would affect his success in a sport he worked and trained for from being a child

Could diving be one of those sports where men and women could compete on an equal basis? I don't know enough about it to know whether eg strength is important.

Trans women are women.

Natal women are incubators.

The answer is very obvious, as I suspect you know. Women are capable of rational thought and can disagree with you on one topic while agreeing on another topic.

Tom Daley is opposing women's rights; I support women's rights and therefore I disagree with Daley on this.

When Johnson or anyone else I dislike supports women's rights, I agree with what they say. I remain capable of disagreeing with them on many other topics.

Hope this helps.

The guardian’s coverage of this includes this incredible quotation (my emphasis):

“Last year the Sports Councils Equality Group, set up by the five councils that fund grassroots sport in the UK, said there was no magic solution to satisfy all sides of the debate and that sports had to choose between safety and fairness on one side and trans inclusion on the other. However there has been little change since.”

Seriously, safety and fairness in sport should be traded off against anything?

A very small number of biological males feeling a bit hard done by because they’re only allowed to compete in the men’s category (note: this is in no way equivalent to being prevented from
competing) vs safety and fairness. And everyone is acting like it’s a hard question.

It's so easy to be magnanimous and gracious when your standing and success is under no threat.

Men just don't understand this do they?

Why is it that the opinion of a medal-winning Olympian who is part of the LGBT community can be dismissed (because he used a surrogate)

Using a surrogate is not only exploitatitive and unethical, it's also an admission that he understands perfectly well that there are differences between male and female bodies.

Now, because he's supporting men who want to exploit women in a different way, he's denying the differences.

He can fuck off. And so can Boris Johnson and Matt Walsh, come to that.

I'm not seeking to shame anyone. Not sure how my question came across as accusatory, I was curious.

Are questioned banned now?

The strength and power of your body will affect what skills you are capable of performing.

Like in snowboarding - there’s a big difference between how many rotations women can fit in compared to men.

Could diving be one of those sports where men and women could compete on an equal basis? I don't know enough about it to know whether eg strength is important.

FINA singled out diving and water polo as disciplines where the inclusion of female athletes who identify as men would only be possible if the athlete provided some kind of waiver with regard to safety issues. It is well known that women's skulls are more fragile than men's and they are more prone to concussion, so it is quite possible that some of the diving board heights and or dives might be more dangerous for women.