What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

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Trans umbrella now with added "eunuch" identity.

It is monstrous.
This young man is one of the fall guys.
The NHS should not be mutilating and castrating healthy bodies.
Mental illness needs to be treated as such.
This is all sunlight and these people who have been through transition are our best spokespersons.

I hope he finds some peace.

That's appalling.
These surgeries need banning, not pushing for by those Pro~trans groups.
The risk of a change of mind is just too great by the sound of it.

Of course surgically messing around with genitalia carries a huge risk.

Some of the most convincing trans women {Blair White} have a penis and testicles. BW is also pretty sensible.

The NHS can't win though can it? If it refuses to do gender affirmation surgery it'll be sued by all the people claiming mental anguish. One case of suicide linked to such a decision and the tables would be turned again.

Where I live (Victoria) it's actually illegal to provide any counselling or therapy that questions a person's gender identity.

I was recently chatting with a young trans woman who earnestly told me how once she'd had her 'bottom' surgery even doctors wouldn't be able to tell... that's the utter shite they're being fed online.

I'm appalled at the lack of sympathy, I truly am.

Are you saying thatl trans people who want to change their bodies are not in their right mind?

Are you saying thatl trans people who want to change their bodies are not in their right mind?

It depends what you think trans is. Is it a medical condition, a psychological condition, a miss placed soul or a reaction to regressive gender norms and/ or homophobia?

So am I.

Mmm.. im broadly a trans ally... but..

I've long had concerns because the NHS has proved itself unable, over and over and over again, to provide useful, accessible, competent, mental health services.

Gender Reassignment decisions and surgery require the mental health side works with the surgical side, and frankly. It doesn't.

It isn't just this, the after care for life altering surgery.. isn't there.

Bariatric surgery - year 1, year 2, year 3 when you're a great statistic, lost dramatic amounts of weight, look great... they're there.

Year 5, 6 and on, when you're suffering the longer term effects of malnutrition, a fucked up gut, absorption problems and deficiencies and despite the known (if not fully understood) link between gut health and mental health... you're on your own. There's nothing.

I'll bet this guy fought tooth and nail, swore whatever was necessary to get this surgery. And then relied on a failing mental health system as a safety net.

It isn't good enough. But he does need to own at least some of the culpability himself - no one MADE him cut his cock and balls off. How far do we legislate for peoples own stupidity?

If he'd been denied surgery, would we be seeing him sue the NHS for that - I suspect we probably would.

I have to say I did snort at the 'i have a stump, it twitches'.. WELCOME TO THE CLITORIS MY FRIEND...

Even among adults, there are plenty of people who are vulnerable in some way, not psychologically able to make good decisions, under the influence of others, intellectually limited, etc.

And something that is true of many many people is that they believe that when doctors tell them that a surgery is an option to fix a problem, it means the surgery is well established at doing so most of the time. They believe that doctors would not support surgeries with a lot of poor outcomes.

That's not only with these surgeries, it also comes into play when people are offered surgery for other things, like cancers. Very often they have an overly optimistic view of the benefits and the underestimate the risks and general unpleasentness of likely outcomes.

When you additionally have these interest groups and the media making out like these transition surgeries are great, it's totally to be expected that people would make poor assessments. Doctors would have to go to great lengths to make clear that they are not great, and we know that mostly they don't.

Given that the outcomes are so poor it's questionable whether it's ethical for doctors to do them at all, regardless of whether the patient wants them.

The only evidence we have that he was vulnerable is that he was trans/exploring being trans - but we are also constantly told that being trans is not a mental illness and shouldn't be treated as such - eg its a physical condition resolved by hormones and/or surgery
There is so much pressure on the NHS to support gender reassignment that i'm not sure what they could have done (assuming they did tell him all the possible side-effects)- everything i see is talking about reducing the time people have to wait for surgery- and this person is claiming they rushed him into it (after 2 years delay)

I agree. The NHS has no business cutting off mens' penises, ffs. They've bought into an ideology. We know that. Across the board. It's insane. They actually buy it all.

This man was blinded by transgenderism. Encouraged by unscrupulous whack jobs online.

I've read some utter claptrap about post surgery female orgasms coursing through male bodies. Men who claim even their partners cant tell. It's all rubbish. And an impressionable, miserable man who thinks being gay is horrifying has bought into it all.

That's bad enough. But the bloody NHS taking part in it is unforgivable.

When the NHS actually believe in the ideology what hope do their vulnerable patients have?

I feel so sorry for the man in question. I read the original tweet thread, not the DM article, and it was heartbreaking. (As an aside, it has been a big shock to me to realise how much of a comeback homophobia has made in the last decade. So depressing.)
However, I don't think he should be suing the NHS. IANAL, but if the surgical procedure itself wasn't botched, but the outcome was suboptimal that is just unfortunate. His only justified complaint against the NHS would be if they didn't talk him through the risks properly. Iirc, he said that in the original tweets. From what he also said about his state of mind at the time, it's highly unlikely that being informed would have made any difference. He was set on this course. If he sues anyone, it should be the despicable people in the online community which convinced and encouraged him. But when all is said and done, he was an adult. Adults do stupid things, make bad decisions with long lasting repercussions. We can't protect everyone from themselves.
Re the NHS, I agree with the pp who pointed out the pressure it is under to affirm on pain of being sued. And in fairness, this procedure is well established, it's not experimental. A case like this just shows why it was previously always carried out as a last resort, on men who could not live any other way and after extensive therapy.
Publicity about his situation will help others see that "bottom surgery" isn't what it's cracked up to be.

I would be interested to know what it said on the surgery consent form, they always list potential side effects.

The first online leaflet I found on google clearly lists the potential risks. Is this enough? The nhs has a 100snof similar leaflets for other operations.

www.leedsandyorkpft.nhs.uk/our-services/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/v3_vaginoplasty-leaflet_gender_dysphoria.pdf

Has anyone mentioned that he has autism? (We know who this is and he's so brave speaking out.)

That people and children with autism are particularly vulnerable to this ideology?

That the NAS is captured, counsellors are unable to challenge in order to properly asses?

That the system completely let him down?

It's a no win no fee basis so the lawyers must be confident.

He has autism and is also gay.

He loves sparkly shiny materials and is
Male sex attracted.

The nhs and stonewall led him to believe that therefore he was a woman.

Exactly. You cant go eradicating the word woman and the very concept of female biology being actually female and then say oh we didn't mean it like that.

They told the police that a patient couldn't possibly have been raped because the man who did it was akcherly a woman. Ffs.

And they remove the penis from another man for exactly the same reason.

This has to stop.

Even surgeries that are necessary to save someone’s life from the progression of disease require informed consent and occasionally even psychological evaluation. Things like organ transplants and some bariatric surgery require patients who really understand the commitment they are making to a lifetime of follow-up or the surgery is pointless and endangers the patients life instead of protecting them.

Surgery on healthy genitalia should require serious screening and mental health evaluations.

No one told him he'd be infertile either after his penis and testicles were removed 🤷🏽‍♀️

I can't believe the lack of sympathy or compassion by some posters. We support care leavers until age 21 and up to 25 in some cases because we know this group hasn't had the same help as others. We know young adults sometimes need more help.

This young man was on HRT I believe. The Cass review said we don't know what some of these drugs do to the brain. Could it not be at least feasible that his decision making was impaired?

Look at what he reports. Not being able to even go to the toilet. Can you imagine that? For the rest of your whole life?

The NHS does not get it right always eg maternity care, the infected blood scandal. Perhaps they should consider a scheme to compensate now because it seems it's where they will have to go.

He withdrew into an online world where he felt at peace. There, at 23, he found discussions about gender dysphoria, the fear of living in the wrong sexual body. ‘That’s me, I thought.’

Quote from the Daily Mail article.

Seems he went down the online rabbit hole - believed what he read.
You cannot stop someone from doing this whatever age.

If the NHS are offering this surgery, then you believe this will help you and that you are entitled to it. If a doctor tells you this might help you, you are inclined to give it a try. If you are egged on online by your group AND told by society that anyone objecting is bigoted and hateful, then you are not going to listen to any dissent. If your therapist is worried about saying the wrong thing and is more passive then you will take this as a sign you are doing the right thing.

If there are no long term studies on detransitioners then there is nothing scientific to worry about. If even the LGBT community are saying sex doesn’t matter and can be changed and that same sex attraction is bigoted, then you won’t be supported to just be gay.

I feel so sorry for this person. It’s like he’s been funnelled to this and spat out the other end.

NHS being sued is nothing new. But it shouldn't be making this sort of end result. One would assume life changing optional surgery is really carried out in a well structured way so that the victim understands the consequence of this situation.
Measuring competence and understanding of consequences needs to be in place. At what point do personal insurances get affected?

It's a sad story but suing the NHS Trust makes little sense. There are checks and processes in place for patients who want to transition. They have to wait a few years and be assessed by at least one specialist psychiatrist to make sure that they are of "sound mind". The statement about fears that his transition medication would be stopped if he chose not to transition is legitimate - the whole idea of transition medication is, well, surgical transition. The post op complications are a separate issue and perhaps he will be compensated for that if there is proof that the risk (however small) was not discussed and documented on the original consent form. It is an extremely long process waiting for gender reassignment surgery on the NHS and the reason some people go private if they can afford it.