What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

I've heard him on a podcast and much of what he said was true (as evidenced in this thread) that people feel sorry for female detransitioners but they don't for male detransitioners and they experience hatred.

He like the female detransitioners has been led down a one-way path, not told about the negative side-effects (for fear of medical practitioners to be seen as transphobic), and is now ostracised.

Yes i agree grombles

But he asked for this exact surgery to be done. He is literally complaining that the surgery to remove his cock and balls removed his cock and balls.

conflicted by this.i think -That's a tragic lifelong outcome which could have been avoided, I also think "what the hell did you imagine was going to happen once your knob was cut off, you fucking twat?"

..additionally the TRA movement is inherently homophobic so anybody who has internalised homophobia (or biphobia) will likely have that reinforced through involvement with the online groups.

It’d be interesting to understand the conversations that happened at the time.

In the UK, and on the NHS, I suspect that he himself had to argue forcefully and coherently about why the surgery was right for him, and that alternatives were offered which he rejected.

Yes, DM doing its usual thing and lifting the story directly from Twitter.

It's unfair to blame him as the whole point is he wasn't well enough informed or assessed. That's clear if you read the full details.

people feel sorry for female detransitioners but they don't for male detransitioners and they experience hatred.

I don't see hatred on display: I have read some framings that feel callous.

It will be interesting to see the way in which the legal advisors pursue this case and whom they include.

Ironically, I should think that a number of judges would be relatively dismissive of the extent of female detransitioners' surgery and regret. I suspect, in a law court, there would be substantial cultural understanding of what it means to have had a penis removed because it's so strongly associated with a man's sexual instinct and life as well as reproduction.

I wonder if the issue of freezing sperm as 'insurance' was introduced during informed consent or would it have been considered something that would aggravate dysphoria.

The issues may well be even more complex than I expect.

As much as i feel sorry for him he was 25 when he went for surgery.
Not exactly young.
Its nobody elses responsibility to do research. Thats down to you.

When are people going to realise the buck stops with you.Not everything is someone elses fault.

He is fully aware of his role in his decision, he’s not stupid. There is already a thread on this.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4568636-tragic-thread-from-detransitioner?page=1

Grown man starts transitioning at 25 and has voluntary op on the NHS years later (so probably when he was about 30).

Is now 35 and lo and behold regrets not researching it and apparently "wasn't told of any risks" 🤔. Yeah right - cos you cant look them up yourself you eejit.

Now wants a huge payment for being knobless, despite not paying out for it in the first place....

Yeah, not a lot of sympathy

Once again shows that this surgery should be after the age of 25. Would it have made any difference for this man, we don't know. Lack of explorative therapy with a neutral therapist sounds like it would have been a better choice and money better spent. Does it also highlight that once you are on the trans train you can't easily get off. Children and adults need an exit plan. We need to make it okay to change your mind. I realise that is hard when these people get indoctrinated. Very sad.

The public can be idiots. Clueless amd Impatient etc. That's why it's usually down to medical professionals to know better. They shouldn't be influenced by ideologies, lobby groups etc amd live in fear of being deemed transphobic eveb when those doing the accusing are not the ones changing his nappies and cleaning weeping wounds when he gets home. The nhs should not he aligned with any of thee groups. Patient welfare trumps approval from.lobby groups

For the lawyers to take it on no win no fee they must think it has some merit. Lawyers are all about the $

I'd be interested to know how long he was having treatment before. Knowing the state of the NHS I very much doubt they just randomly quickly offered him surgery and he panicked and said yes as he's portraying.

I feel nothing but sympathy for him - and there's a massive queue of young women and men behind him.
It is unthinkable what we're allowing to happen in medicine. I now view the NHS in a very different way than I used to, seeing how they've bought into this harmful ideology that is wreaking such havoc on children and young people's lives.

I don't think the men realise that surgery is like eugenics, they are sterile eunuchs with no way back and God know what the drugs are doing to them. I imagine we are going to see an unexpected rise in illnesses for these young men and women.

It's really sad

Great post and very true.

I have compassion for these young people, they may not have had the support they needed making such big decisions

@FemmeNatal But with the recent talk about "conversion therapy" anything other than affirmation would be considered "conversion therapy". Discussing other options is hugely discouraged.

With this individual it was clear that medical professionals should've looked at his mental health and other conditions, but they didn't and they focused on the gender dysmorphia.

The investigations into Tavistock have shown that puberty blockers are a one-way street to full blown surgery. I've heard about both male and female patients not being told the full extent of what will happen, what the surgery entails etc.

His surgery definitely sounds botched, whilst I don't doubt the regret, perhaps if the surgery wasn't as bad the story may be different.

I'm sorry but this was major surgery that he didn't have to have, did he not research it? I do feel sorry for him but I completely disagree with him suing the NHS for this.

I completely agree.

He was a grown adult and made a choice.

This wouldn’t have been a spur of the moment choice like getting a tattoo when you’re drunk - he would have had to go through quite a few consultations etc and have it booked, you don’t just go to the gp and get your penis h chopped off on the same day.

Lots of people get cosmetic surgery when they don’t need it/makes them look awful. But as an adult you need to take some responsibility for yourself.

Instead of blaming the NHS for this - he needs to put effort into helping other people who are also considering transitioning and what impact it may have on them.

Has anyone asked him what he would have done if the doctors has refused the surgery? Sued at that point too?

But he was twenty five. Not a child. He fought for the surgery, he convinced doctors he knew himself and what he wanted. To now sue them for believing him is not really the right thing to do.

Oh no. I just found and read his tweets through the other thread.

It’s been 4 years. So not surgery shock.

It’s beyond tragic. I have no words