What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

It's not easy to get a true picture of the outcomes for anyone considering surgery because the trans community only wants to paint a positive picture.

I have absolutely no time for the 'you made your bed...' comments. They are heartless and not the words of people who have any interest in working to help other people falling into the same trap.

I find this incredibly heartless. He obviously had mental health problems, and surgery is presented as a cure all in some quarters.

You don’t have to insist on surgery when you are diagnosed when gender dysphoria, it’s presented as the next stage (well, for the young anyway).

He’s suing the NHS for a lot of money; money supposed to be used to treat people.

That’s why I feel little sympathy for him.

I'm shocked at the lack of sympathy or understanding for this young man. Five years ago people were losing their jobs and friends for saying publicly that you can change sex. Therapists who didn't provide affirmative therapy were getting named, shamed, boycotted and worse.

Any reference to unsuccessful surgery was thought to be transphobic.

So here was a mentally ill young man being told by everyone - TRAs, society in general, doctors and therapists - that his mental problems would be solved by taking this surgery that would convert him into a woman.

This kind of legal action isn't just about compensation. It's about preventing the same thing happening to other people.

I'm sure he knew that his cock and balls were going to be removed. Could he possibly know how that would change his life? surely part of the point is that no one can know how that would change their life until it's done. He's lost all of his natural libido forever. I can see that some people wouldn't know that would be a result of the surgery.

Perhaps that's the argument fir this surgery just not being allowed full stop.

Its cosmetic. The complications are horrific. Rendering healthy bodies incontinent for no order reason than to have n external appearance of something you caht ever be is just ridiculous. No one benefits from this. Ajd the after care removes any chance of a normal life for months/years. You cant work.if you have to dilate multiple times a day.

People sue for less with emergency life saving surgery. This is purely cosmetic

I've got nothing but sympathy for him. Our focus is on young people for obvious reasons, but plenty of older people are going down exactly the same route for the wrong reasons. The person I know in her early 30s lives her life on line, that's her community, she's convinced she's doing the right thing having surgery. I think she's making a massive mistake, but what can you do when they're adults? This poor man will be the first of many, I don't know what the answer is.

If the NHS offered liposuction to people with anorexia many of them would take it & I would blame the clinicians.

people suffering from delusions can be incredibly convincing

I'm sad it comes to money but it seems the only thing that counts.

Unfair to compare to thalidomide, pregnant mums took it in good faith for morning sickness.

Compare to the Italian Castrati opera singers that went out of fashion in the late 18th Century.

This is not as simple as 'he asked for an operation, he got it'. Surgeons cannot perform surgery without obtaining fully informed consent. This procedure would have been explained in great detail to the patient, but everyone is different so the outcomes for one person are likely to be different from another. Did this man expect to have his organs removed? We have to assume yes, or he wouldn't have consented to the procedure. Did he anticipate the consequent outcomes (loss of sensation, incontinence etc)? The article suggests he didn't - to obtain fully informed consent, the vast range of possibly outcomes should have been explained, but since you never really know what's going to happen when you mess around in a nerve heavy part of the body, most pre-surgical patients can't make peace with the potential outcomes because they haven't experienced them yet, and everyone logically hopes for the best and/or thinks they could cope with a less than perfect outcome. Who is responsible for that? I guess a court will decide. What seems absolutely clear is that this person did not receive adequate counselling - either before or after the surgery. What we need are really clear guidelines about the kind of counselling required pre and post surgery, and what constitutes a good candidate for the surgery. And this ongoing support needs to be guaranteed regardless of whether a person proceeds with the procedure, or not, and regardless of the level of success of the procedure.

The NHS literally can't win here. They are chastised by some for not providing enough treatment for gender dysphoria or not providing it at a young enough age (terrifying). Yet when they do, they wind up in the courts for causing harm. It's lose lose all round.

And yes, elements of the trans community are bloody cult like. They don't want proper research or ethics. They just want their demands to be met. And that, among many other things, involves mutilating vunerable people's bodies. It has got to stop.

One can argue that he was an adult when he made this decision but one could also ask why the National Health Service is removing healthy body parts from people.

So he's not suing for actual money then? Its about stopping further surgeries?

Weird that he forgot to put that in, and accidentally just asked for loads of money instead.

Did I say that?

I think if you had unnecessary surgery that left you in pain and with absolutely no sex life and no prospect of one, and feeling suicidal you might feel it was appropriate to be compensated.

Sorry but how can he blame the NHS for a mistake in his life that he made as a grown man, I mean he know he was going to lose his manhood and be infertile how on earth is that someone else's fault.

More accurately described as a vulnerable man.

I think people commenting should find out a bit more about him and his case before deciding he doesn't have a right to complain.

Because if he was deluded , mentally Ill then the NHS failed to diagnose him correctly?

I've not come across anything by a male to female detransitioner before, only female to male. Poor Tulip, this is horrific. I hope he can find peace. And I hope lessons are beginning to be learnt. The reality needs to be open and discussed freely, it doesn't make you transphobic or bigoted. It makes you informed.

For a while, this whole charade pissed me off so much that I was close to thinking, "All right, fuck it, let the adults do what they want and don't try to get them to question it. Just leave the kids out of it."

But as infuriating as it all becomes, these stories prove that we really do need to give people time and professional assistance to work out who they are before they do something so truly irreversible. Surgery will be right for some of them. But the stats now show that around 75% of them, like this poor man, will eventually come to realise they're gay.

It's not conversion therapy to help someone work out who they really are.

I hope lessons are learned. But the NHS should not be in the business of removing healthy body parts.

Where does it stop are people going to be allowed to cripple themselves because they don't like the look of their toes? Or any other body part?