What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

Is it the case, as we have seen with children, that if you present with gender dysphoria then nothing else is considered as part of your treatment? Added to this if he had obtained a script from his online community he would have been very convincing.
It's horrible to think that people who have undergone this surgery are effectively grooming others to have the same surgery even though they are unlikely to give the full truth about their own surgery. It's almost as if they have made this decision and in order to get validated want to take others with them to make themselves feel better.

I think this is tragic.

And shows why Stonewall should urgently return to their core mission of fighting homophobia.

This man, like the child of Mermaid Woman Susie Green (who suffered horrible medical problems after surgery under the age of 18) started in this road because he was brought up amongst people who see homosexuality as abhorrent.

By the sounds of it he wasn’t in any mental or emotional state where doctors should have started chopping him about.

Its so bizarre how any negative outcome or alternative choice regarding these surgeries and interventions is some kind of blanket statement against every trans person. What other medical choice has that burden to carry?

You could have 3 people with the exact same cancer. One may choose surgery, one may choose chemo and one may choose to max out a credit card amd travel the world and forgive treatment altogether. And neither choice says anything about anyone else.

But with this. Its like you have surgery fir them all and if you are unhappy after you are basically invalidating every trans person that ever lived. Like they are responsible for the lives and happiness of complete strangers. It's a political choice not a personal one.

Let's also remember that very many TW don't have 'bottom' surgery, including some of the most prominent ones, but they keep that very quiet. They don't have it because they aren't uncomfortable enough to go through that discomfort. If they would own that people for whom they are role models might also feel less inclined to.

It's heart-breaking. The damage this ideology is doing makes me unspeakably angry.

I can understand why vulnerable people for example those with mental health problems, or internalised homophobia, or a history of sexual abuse may fall for the propaganda churned out by transactivist websites.

But there's no excuse for anyone else affirming them in their belief that they are somehow 'in the wrong body'.

And major organisations, such as governments and the NHS, who collude with this cruel deception are unforgiveable.

I can understand why vulnerable people (for example those with mental health problems, or internalised homophobia, or a history of sexual abuse) may fall for the propaganda churned out by transactivist websites.

I didn't mean to cross out the examples.

What did he think was going to happen?! I’m genuinely blown away by the stupidly and him declining to take responsibility. It wasn’t done to him, he asked for it?!

Harsh but fair about the genes. He’s not the sharpest tool in the box 🤷‍♀️

It was always going to get to this point.

Life altering elective surgery performed on people who were too mentally ill to consent. Of course the doctors need to be held to account.

I have no truck with the "what did he expect" posters. When someone has a mental health problem it is exceptionally poor care to chop off their healthy body parts. And the doctors who do that are culpable.

Kiera Bell tried the judicial review route and was knocked back. Suing is the only thing which will stop this happening over and over again.

Again, read the full details and see if you can then muster up some sympathy.

I feel very sorry for him. He made a life changing decision that he then came to regret. But it was his decision. As a pp said, people do have to take responsibility for themselves and I think it’s unreasonable in his case to blame/sue the nhs.
Children, however, is another matter……

however, fuck the DM. Im sorry but while i am interested in this topic i cant take anything this misogynist shit rag says seriously, c'mon ladies.

"shows off her figure in racy bikini"
enough said.

"He’s not the sharpest tool in the box"

Which in my book would make him vulnerable and therefore his medical advisors should have realized that he was not in the right frame of mind to be receiving this kind of irreversible surgery.

I am also sad to see this publication seems to be ok/legitimised when it suits various motives. A subject such as this requires more authentic reportage, surely? Why are we to take a sexist rag such as this seriously just because it pretends to pander to our issues?

@Doyoumind yep l read the whole article. Still no sympathy. He’s acting like he rocked up on Monday and they did it on Tuesday. It doesn’t work like that! He choose to do it. It’s buyers remorse but on a grand scale basically

I feel sympathy for him and I think it's a complex issue but I think suing the NHS is a bit ridiculous. They did what he asked them to do. It's a tragic mistake but I don't think it's their fault. He has to take responsibility for his own decision.

I didn't say to read the article. I said to find out more about him. The DM just lifted (part of) the story from his Twitter.

@Zipupyourmickey yep. It’s like me asking my decorator to paint my lounge purple, they then paint it purple. I then said l didn’t want it done. Decorator rightly would say why pick the colour, get a quote, ask me to do it and then pay me?! To then say you are fine sticking with magnolia after all

Surely doctors can’t just butcher people even if they ask them to? This surgery has such terrible complications that I believe it is unethical for any doctor to do it to anyone, no matter how much they may want it.

I am disappointed by so many people saying he must take responsibility, he is not a doctor! He wouldn’t have known how bad the results would be. He needed care and instead was carved up by monstrous surgeons with a god complex.

I wish him well and hope that this is the beginning of the end of this cavalier attitude to having irreversible surgery. People with the desire to cut their genitals off obviously need psychological help, not doctors colluding with their misguided notions.

Surely he had enough brain cells to realise that amputation of penis and testicles {Or whatever is done} is going to render him literally a ''Eunuch'' as he states?
It's basic common sense, surely.

He must have requested the surgery, they don't give it out willy nilly, surely?

Goodness, some of the replies on this thread are absolutely astonishing in their callousness and, quite frankly, ignorance.

Certain posters are pointing to the fact that this man was already an adult rather than a child at the time of treatment, as though that proves he is entirely to blame for what happened. This point of view fails to recognise one of the major reasons as to why a child receiving this treatment would be/should be so outrageous - because children are categorised as 'vulnerable'.

Children are not the only section of society that are 'vulnerable', many adults can also be classed as 'vulnerable' whether due to physical, emotional and/or mental conditions.

This is why the phrase "of sound mind" is associated with will writing, to ensure that the adult bequeathing their estate is not being forced or coerced into writing something they either don't mean or don't understand. This is also why decent plastic surgeons are expected to require a psychological assessment of their potential patients prior to aesthetic procedures, e.g. rhinoplasty or breast augmentation.

Medical professionals have a duty of care to their patients that includes not performing unnecessary procedures on vulnerable individuals that may not be in a fit state to make an informed decision.

As to the comments about why the man is suing for money rather than a promise to not perform the same treatment on others - the latter suggestion is frankly nonsense and would never be upheld. We live in a capitalist society, money talks (in fact that is why the lobbying by the likes of Stonewall has been so insidiously effective), so suing for money is (obviously) an attempt to create a disincentive for future treatment of the same type as it establishes the threat of more money having to be paid out in the future.

Here's the original twitter thread. It's an archive link as TRAs reported it and parts were deleted by twitter.
archive.ph/dA1wn

Sorry archive.ph/dA1wn

I agree with you regarding that racist and misogynistic publication and did not click on the link for that reason (thankfully I already recognised whom the thread was about). I will say that at least it was obvious that it was a DM link this time as links for DM and The Sun are often disguised as "Here is the article" or similar.

Someone that wants their healthy gentials removed is not a person that is in their right mind. I honestly don't know how such a person can be seen to have given informed consent.

I feel sorry for him. The NHS should not be butchering healthy bodies. We need to fund much better mental health treatments.