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What you all said was coming

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Pippinbird · 23/06/2022 22:24

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

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GingerPCatt · 29/06/2022 15:10

My heart aches for detransitioners.
This is where #No Debate gets us.
This is where blocking all reasonable attempts at researching ROGD and destranistion gets us.
This is where stopping research on puberty blockers and long term research on taking cross-sex hormones gets us. Or if there is research, suppressing it in the media.
This is where cute euphemisms like top surgery or bottom surgery gets us.
This is where not even being able to say the correct medical term for the removal of male genitals on this site gets us.
This is where the BBC and other media outlets giving out wrong information about how puberty blockers are reversible gets us.

Social media is full of wrong information or disinformation, but the BBC and the rest of society collude with it. If there was an open debate about transition and the facts were presented in the media correctly, maybe some people would decide that it's not for them. Or at least would not want to medically transition.

Madcats · 29/06/2022 15:19

I've just seen a clip of a testimony from Chloe Cole who was encouraged to have hormones and surgery as a teen and is now detransitioned, aged 17. It's heartbreaking:
twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1541840380982956032

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 29/06/2022 20:16

I didn't get very far into that. Transitioned from 13, therapist ignored parents Qs about med and responded with the suicide threat?

I hope whe names and shames them and they get to pay to undo what they did!

Artichokeleaves · 29/06/2022 20:55

rogdmum · 29/06/2022 11:44

Blog by Tullip’s lawyer

www.harthanbarrister.com/blog/files/44eca404b30952053e28c53829866deb-5.html

“Montgomery v Lanarkshire [2015] UKSC 11 is the leading authority in relation to consent in English Law. The test is that a doctor is under a duty to take reasonable care to ensure that the patient is aware of any material risks involved in any recommended treatment, and of any reasonable alternative or variant treatments. The purpose of obtaining informed consent is so that the patient understands the severity of the condition, the advantages and disadvantages of treatment, and the existence of any alternative treatments.

A clinician treating Gender Dysphoria exclusively through the lens of a pathway to transition, excluding alternative treatments and alternative diagnoses, would likely be in breach of their clinical responsibilities. The clinician has a duty to contain and consider properly the patients treatment demands. The clinician must retain the capacity to identify red flags and apply the brakes or change direction. Above all else the clinician has a duty to do no harm, to avoid exposing patients to additional risks arising from their intervention.

I am grateful to those detransitioners who have contacted me with a view to bringing a clinical negligence action. They are brave people and I will put my heart and soul into working for them. As for the clinicians who did not dare to be wise and failed to resist being swept along with an ideological tide, well the tide has turned and they may soon need to account for their actions.”

This seems a perfectly sane, reasonable statement. I will be interested to hear it argued with in court, not least because it's similar to the case Keira brought and tragically many more will follow.

The horrible thing is the poor person at the heart of it with all they have been through and the process now ahead to try and get any kind of justice. These people are owed a lot of compensation, and not as a consolation prize but because they have been left with major, lifetime needs ahead of them.

RoyalCorgi · 29/06/2022 21:23

Montgomery v Lanarkshire is a fantastic judgement that should have transformed the way consent is handled in labour, but arguably didn't. (The judgement, which is worth a read, was written by the excellent Baroness Hale.) The key issue is informed consent and it certainly sounds as if Richie didn't fully understand what he was consenting to.

IrisVersicolor · 29/06/2022 21:24

Madcats · 29/06/2022 15:19

I've just seen a clip of a testimony from Chloe Cole who was encouraged to have hormones and surgery as a teen and is now detransitioned, aged 17. It's heartbreaking:
twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1541840380982956032

That’s tragic. It’s kind a form of mutilation.

These stories will just keep coming and coming until the medical establishment wises up.

ReneBumsWombats · 30/06/2022 15:54

Nice people.

What you all said was coming
ginghamstarfish · 07/08/2022 11:36

It is tragic but why the hell are the NHS performing this kind of surgery anyway? Haven't they got enough waiting lists of people who are sick and in pain and in genuine need of surgery/treatment? Of course it is common sense that a person who says they feel they are a different sex needs help of some kind but should the first port of call not be psychiatric? That it isn't the case is no doubt due to the influence of Stonewall and their kind.

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