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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to refuse to share pronouns verbally

242 replies

EthelbertaChickerel · 23/06/2022 10:18

I'm going to a course tomorrow, and have just received an email from the course leader. This includes her pronouns, and I'm now concerned we will all be asked to share them verbally when the day starts.

If it is just writing them on badges, I will leave it blank, but I don't know how big the group is, and I am worried that if it is small, we will be asked to introduce ourselves and share pronouns. I'm fine with the introductions, just not with the pronouns.

What is the best, but most polite, way to shut this down? I have paid quite a lot of money for this day and want to get as much out of it as possible, but am not happy to compromise my principles.

TL:DR - I love the Mumsnet standard 'my pronouns are sex-based, like my oppression', and would be happy to put that in an email, but not sure about saying it.
Does anyone have any alternatives?

OP posts:
GCRich · 23/06/2022 12:33

"When I am referring to men my third person pronouns are "he / him" and when I am referring to women my third person pronouns are "she / her"."

or

"Because I detest authoritarianism and a lack a nasty narcissistic streak I don't go around demanding that others refer to me as what I am not".

BasilParsley · 23/06/2022 12:36

"You can call me what you like as long as you don't call me late for dinner" with a sweet smile....

Whybot · 23/06/2022 12:45

What about saying
“I’d prefer not to mention mine . I have two X chromosomes, so you probably can all work this out yourselves. Do feel free to call me by my first name. If you insist on a pronoun some people call me Dr.” They’re not going to check whether you ve got a PhD or not .
The more of us that do this the better.

5zeds · 23/06/2022 12:47

I just can’t imagine this situation. Is it supposed to make you feel more welcome? Confused. I’d just give my name and move on.

redbigbananafeet · 23/06/2022 12:47

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 10:29

“You only need to refer to me in the third person when I’m not here; and I’m long past caring what people say about me behind my back”

I think I love you 😆

SafferUpNorth · 23/06/2022 12:49

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 10:29

“You only need to refer to me in the third person when I’m not here; and I’m long past caring what people say about me behind my back”

Love this! I'd use this line!

The whole pronouns thing is so ridiculously woke, I refuse to have any part of it. I don't mind people stating their pronouns if they genuinely feel they want/need to, but the trend that everyone should do this is bloody barmy.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 23/06/2022 12:59

I think the difficulty with "I prefer not to say" is that people who buy into the pronoun bollocks, look at you admiringly and earnestly thinking "she must be non binary, how brave and stunning". (The irony of "she" there!)

I say "My name is WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles and I'm a woman" whilst being careful not to smile. In my head I look serious and uncompromising but in RL I probably just look a right grumpy twat.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 23/06/2022 12:59

Obviously I use my real name, not my MN name, as that would be awks in a pronoun circle...

5zeds · 23/06/2022 13:00

Perhaps interpretive dance?

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 23/06/2022 13:02

TullyApplebottom · 23/06/2022 10:29

“You only need to refer to me in the third person when I’m not here; and I’m long past caring what people say about me behind my back”

I do very much like this too.

Sallypally0 · 23/06/2022 13:02

'I have not decided on my gender so cannot answer your question'

aka fuck off with your pronoun bull shit.

AlisonDonut · 23/06/2022 13:10

5zeds · 23/06/2022 13:00

Perhaps interpretive dance?

Take some play doh? And start to mould it whilst insisting that everyone watches you?

HairyDad · 23/06/2022 13:14

I've never been to a course, or a meeting, or any type of gathering where pronouns have even been mentioned. I'd just say my name. Seriously who asks what your pronouns are?? If they ask, I'd just say I don't know what a pronoun is

WeeBisom · 23/06/2022 13:19

I was in a pronoun circle and I dealt with it by saying 'hi, I'm weebisom...' and then smiled and gestured to the next person to go ahead. I was the only person who didn't state pronouns. The only downside to this was I had two people come up afterwards asking why I didn't state my pronouns!

OverTheRubicon · 23/06/2022 13:23

Why be so difficult about it? Of course there's a lot of nonsense sometimes in these things, but if you've paid money for it there is no need to start right out by putting people's backs up.

If it helps but there are people including some gender-critical women who people might find hard to visually categorise and benefit from this.

Similarly, my family are from overseas and due to my name I have in the past been assumed to be a man when corresponding by email (not always as beneficial as you think, people can feel catfished), and saying 'Ms OTB' in a signoff has always felt weird, one side benefit of declaring pronouns has been avoiding this. Do I think it's necessary? No. Are there bigger battles to focus on? Absolutely yes.

UWhatNow · 23/06/2022 13:24

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Iamnotamermaid · 23/06/2022 13:27

WeeBisom · 23/06/2022 13:19

I was in a pronoun circle and I dealt with it by saying 'hi, I'm weebisom...' and then smiled and gestured to the next person to go ahead. I was the only person who didn't state pronouns. The only downside to this was I had two people come up afterwards asking why I didn't state my pronouns!

I dread the day I have to do this. Why did you not state your pronouns?

I do not feel comfortable with this requirement slap my gender identity and sexuality around peoples faces. Whilst I respect your need to do so, please respect mine from refraining. You know my name, please use that if you need my attention.

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 13:29

Burst into tears.

'I find that question offensive '

'I have yet to work it out '

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 23/06/2022 13:31

CatSpeakForDummies · 23/06/2022 10:55

If you are going to state yogyakarta principles, do it in an email in advance, not when you are sitting there and some poor unfortunate people have already felt forced to join in with it - that makes everyone awkward.

Similarly, if you said something along the lines of "I'm not comfortable discussing my pronouns," I would be more likely to assume you were hard work and kind of avoid you, more than if you said "she/her," in a not show-off-y way.

I've had the go round and it seems normal that one person just "forgets," and after them, nobody does it.

I agree that if you said you weren’t prepared to give your pronouns or whatever I would think you were an attention seeking PIA. Just don’t give them or say she/her. Don’t make it weird.

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 13:31

'cis-sy'
'predictable'
'as you were'
'I've been struggling with that, can you offer any suggestions'?

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 13:32

Just don’t give them or say she/her. Don’t make it weird.

You do appreciate someone asking for pronouns is the one 'making it weird'?

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 13:32

It's precisely the same as asking me to declare my religion and starsign.

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 13:33

What would you say in a meeting if someone asks everyone to share their starsign?

Auntieobem · 23/06/2022 13:35

"As expected"

CandyLeBonBon · 23/06/2022 13:35

Circumferences · 23/06/2022 10:49

Pronouns are in the eye of the beholder

I'm stealing this!!

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