Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

The tone of many women on this thread may however suggest that trans women shouldn’t have access to any sort of hormonal treatment at all

No problem with them having it but not before biological women. They come second. Biological womens needs are more important. It is something outside of their control. Trans women choose to take HRT.

Marginalised? You need to look up the definition, our transfriends are front and centre.

Billi77 could you please explain how transwomen are marginalised when pretty much every company is sticking up rainbows, the Scottish government is refusing to listen to anyone who doesn't centre transwomen in their parliamentary inquiry (other than a token session where they were openly hostile to the witnesses), when laws to protect women are being widely ignored in favour of letting transwomen choose if they want access to women, where the rights of transwomen rapists are placed above that of their victims or women in prison, where women's sports are destroyed so transwomen with all their male advantages can enter their sports and win, where even evidence based medicine is set aside at their demand???

The tone of many women on this thread

so no one said it but some people have a ‘tone’

gotcha

This does not pose a threat as they access very little.

Same argument as the claim that creating the legal fiction that a person can charge sex would never be a problem because there would be so few of them.

I remember her mentioning the worst thing she ever had to go through, even through all the abuse she has experienced was to have her own mother rejecting her and refusing to use the pronouns she identified with.

I cannot comment on this.

Sending my sympathy to WeeDonkey and all women suffering actual pain and harm.

I also sympathise with mothers of children who want to change sex, helplessly watching their children suffer and self-harm.

I don't consider these male people particularly marginalised, Billi but thanks for the factual information. If you visit the menopause board you might understand why women have a "tone".

A "tone", you say?

Goodness me, that's me thoroughly put back in my place. Imagine having the bloody nerve to have a "tone".

'Marginalised ' means treated as unimportant.

There is that ‘only a few’.

it never happens.

oh… it happened? But just it was just the once?

twice you say? Well, just the two times then.

what do you mean it is more. Lies, just lies. You just have to get over it, you hater. You are not marginalised enough to be prioritised.

the amount of Cisgendered people who look down upon dating a Trans Man or Woman

No. Stonewall used to fight for people’s right to their own natural sexual orientation. You do not have the right to tell anyone who they should be attracted to.

I agree with Billi's comments. Like her I posted with further information in the hope that it would help anyone reading. As well as posting sometimes in the menopause forum I volunteer elsewhere online to support women daily with menopause-related problems that include the impact of the current HRT shortages. I've also been unable at times to get my own for a short time. It can help for those interested to follow updates posted on the BMS thebms.org.uk/news/british-menopause-society-update-on-hrt-supply/

I was interested to read slowpoke's posts on the subject of hormones that their friend and other transwomen use in terms of type, dose and how it's accessed generally and the small proportion accessed via the NHS. FWIW to slowpoke, if you’re reading, I’d be happy to have you as my child and I hope your mum appreciates you too when you have that conversation with her.

I've read all the posts from the start and would agree with the tone from some posters – summarized pretty well by legalseagull on 5/6 at 09.04.

As Billi mentioned there are other medications in short supply. IMO priority should be to all who need that particular medication. This would include testosterone licensed for men, yet used off-license on the NHS by many women.

Ah, so you're here to help by pointing out where women's tone doesn't meet your expectations? Good to know, thanks.

The tone of many women on this thread

Oh give over. I'd say more but then someone will report me and possibly get handed my email address to further 'tone police' me with.

Actually, given that I've now counted at least three posters repeatedly 'tone policing' on this thread, I'm out.

I feel sorry for the mods having to deal with the baroque nature of rules we must discuss under. Even Twitter and Facebook aren’t this censorious.

I wonder if is time to make a blanket reply to complainers that- we are allowing users to refer to biology where it is relevant, and it’s very relevant in a discussion on medicine and pharmaceutical shortages. That if complainers aren’t happy , suggest they use the other bit of “feminist chat” where medical facts are not discussed.

Please Mumsnet, don’t put your mods in this position and stop letting modern day Jeffreys determine how women speak. Please.

Just a gentle reminder that any posts referring to Trans women as men will be deleted

this isn’t aimed and you imani, it was a very gentle reminder 💐

but honestly this is absolutely ridiculous 😀😀😀

seriously….on a thread about hormone replacement for females we can’t say that males don’t ‘need’ it

(obviously I understand that transwomen feel better with certain hormones but those hormones weren’t in their body originally so can’t be ‘replaced’)

I wonder if is time to make a blanket reply to complainers that- we are allowing users to refer to biology where it is relevant, and it’s very relevant in a discussion on medicine and pharmaceutical shortages. That if complainers aren’t happy , suggest they use the other bit of “feminist chat” where medical facts are not discussed.

I think MN allows users to refer to biology where it is relevant, it's just that they allow the mods to dictate that 'men' does not refer to biology.

So I think you can state that transwomen are male if it is relevant to the discussion, but not that they are you know what.

So I think you can state that transwomen are male if it is relevant to the discussion, but not that they are you know what

yes thats what I thought originally

but (and i know you know this 😀) it still makes no sense whatsoever

This thread crosses the line from GC and protection of women to an argument akin to denying smokers cancer treatment. It is just short of outright bigotry and discrimination

Of course it doesn't. Men = male.

It's more like denying smokers treatment for diabetes when they have cancer.

Given the evidence shows transitioning does not improve mental health and cross sex hormones are detrimental to physical health (which is presumably why the vast majority of transwomen do not take them) I will need you to point out where the similarities lie with cancer treatment elferian because I can't see them. Unless you were actually referring to women being denied HRT for menopause which is a well evidenced treatment?

So we are allowed to say that transwomen are biologically male (in certain kinds of discussion but not others? ), but not that they are men? Is that correct?